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MINUTES OF THE HERALDS MEETING – July 17, 2022
(11:05 am to 1:45 pm)
ATTENDEES:
Antonio Giordano, Vesper; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Eilis O'Boirne, Green Crown; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Green Banner; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym ap Morgan o Erryrys, Green Trumpet; Ræv Kolfinnsson, Leveret; Domamir Vlatko syn, Seawolf; Caitriona inghean ui Chionaodha, Stellanordica; Moira O’Connor, former Sableswan; Derelei filia Uoret, Coronet; Na’arah bat Avraham, Pinnacle; Ann FitzRichard, Acting Estoile; Ruaidri Mac Muirchertaig; Miranda of Vakkerfjell; and Hjalmaer Skeggi.
COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The July meeting was via remote conference, as will be the upcoming meetings until Vesper announces otherwise.
Heralds’ Meeting for 2022: September 18 and November 6. Heralds’ Meetings for 2023: January 8, see Pending for others. Meetings usually begin at 11:00 AM and will be held via online/remote teleconference until further notice.
Pending Heralds’ Meetings for 2023: March 19, May 21, July 23, September 17, November 12.
The DEADLINES for submission forms and documentation are: Deadlines: September 7, October 26, December 21st (for the January, 2023 meeting).
Submission forms must be complete and received either via EMAIL or hardcopy by the deadline date at midnight to be considered at the next meeting (which is about 11 days later, except December due to holidays and the roadshow meeting prep time needed). If the forms are EMAILED, then payment must arrive by the meeting day. WALK-IN submissions will not be accepted while meetings are held via remote conference.
REPORTS
Vesper (Antonio): Deputy (Eilis): no report. Needs solid reports for next meeting for his report to corporate. Thanks all for carrying on.
Seawolf (Damir): Successor (Moira of Kent): Nothing major. Prep for Mists-Cyn and Coronet. Working with successor to take over in November.
Sable Swan (Moira O’Connor): Successor (Victoria): Handed over office to Victoria at Investiture on Saturday. Still working on Court when there IS a ceremony book. Investiture went well. Experiment with court: announcement herald separate from court heralds will make announcements when heralds are delayed.
Stellanordica (Caitriona): Catriona will be taking a sabbatical from the office, from Oertha's July Coronet until Oertha's January Coronet 2023. Her gratitude goes to Her Grace Eilis for taking the mantle for the duration!
For long term succession plans, she has one person in Selviergard and one in Winter's Gate who want to learn more about the office. While both have experience, neither is a current herald. Catriona plans to work with them on training to eventually be able to take over the office.
The Barony of Winter's Gate had a herald changeover in April; Baron Hans and Baron Khevron swapped Baronial coronet and heraldic baldric. (Hans Shaffer is now the herald.)
The Barony of Selviergard is still looking for a successor for the herald's office.
The Barony of Eskalya is still represented by Verica (Viresse) as Herald. They also have a lady interested in court heralding who should be able to get some practice at Coronet.
Oertha will have Summer Coronet tournament and investiture July 22-24. Anne and Eilis have offered to help teach heralding, and there are several folks interested in learning more. They typically have several folks willing and able to help herald the tourney and courts; Catriona will likely make one more "pitch" on Facebook reminding folks they’d like volunteers, before the event. She will bring the Oerthan heraldic tote to the event to hand off to Eilis's keeping.
Exchequer (Damir): Successor (Heinreich Dexter): The College remains solvent. He has conversed with Master Edmond who advises that the process to allow the College to accept submission payments digitally is still ongoing. Edmond will also be assisting Damir with the move of the College's accounts from Mechanic's Bank to Bank of the West. Damir will be looping in his successor and Vesper to this process to ensure signatures are updated for checks.
Matins (Edith): Matins would like to welcome Mac (Ruadrí Mac Muichertaig) and Sieglinde (THL Sieglinde von der Hohenwuste, formerly of Caid). These two individuals responded to Edith’s request for people interested in helping with the office. They are working with her to go through training and start assisting with the duties of Matins.
Submissions continue to go through the process. If you are working with a submitter, please don’t forget to remind them that fees must be sent in. As per the update from Damir last meeting, fees must still be sent via postal mail as listed at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.php, although the Exchequer’s office is working on electronic payment processing.
Green Crown (Eilis): Deputy (Damir): All courts, including roving and kiddie pool courts, for Their Majesties Kenric and Dagmar have been reported from Cynagua Coronet, June Crown, and An Tir-West War. She believes they have also been confirmed.
Baldric (vacant): Training within the College: Vesper plans on running training as a College-wide program, not assigned to a specific individual at this time.
Brachet (Kean): no report.
Green Cloak (Alizan): Twenty-one heralds signed in for Summer Crown, including two new heralds: Bradley and Virgil. Unfortunately, she lost track of Bradley, but Virgil came back and worked with Master Edward and performed well. We’ll be keeping him. We also saw the return of His Highness Cormac, who soloed during rounds 1 and 2.
She is changing the sign-in setup to clipboards, so she does not have to continually flip through the book every time someone requests a shout or court business, and to facilitate assignments. The clipboards have protective cover sheets and rubber bands across the bottom to hold the pages in place.
Green Trumpet (Gwenhwyfaer): The Green Trumpet office is operational. Duty shouts were sent at regular intervals on both Saturday and Sunday of June Crown beginning at 8am. In particular, she would like to thank Richard Talbot, Edward le Kervere and Mercy Grym for their assistance.
Green Trumpet will plans to be at Purgatorio and Fall Crown.
Green Banner (Aasa): All quiet on the Western front. She is continuing to do online consultations, but has not been able to make it to events since the last meeting.
Golem (Hirsch): Really busy with court reports or not busy at all…in between, he’s documenting processes. Anne is working on the ceremony book process (style sheets, etc.) Awards List process keeps growing. Website process is in the works.
ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTSFacebook Page: The West Kingdom Heralds' have their own page on Facebook, announcements, help with consultation, and more are often done there:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/302970543102065/
MAILING LIST: The Yahoo hosted mailing lists have been closed by the folk at Yahoo. At this time, we no longer have a means of communicating with the College of Heralds except the Facebook Page noted above, or via email. To make it possible to post announcements from senior staff heralds, there is a new Announcements page (link removed, as this page was not used and removed from the site).
ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Vesper at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.
BRACHET MEETINGS
Contact brachet@heralds.westkingdom.org for external commenting participation.
FROM THE LOARS
The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.
May, 2022 LoAR (printed July 4, 2022) (West - No LoI)
Cover Letter
West Acceptances - May LoAR
West Returns - May LoAR
None!
In Service,
Edith of Swanesdale, PaL,
Matins Herald
SUBMISSONS – July (2022)
ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (none noted) and gender (male) of the name.
Agmundr - Sources:
- from Viking Answer Lady: s.n. Agmundr, Ogmundr
[http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml]
- from Cleasby, Richard and Gundbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-english Dictionary 2nd edition
Oxford: Clarendon 1957 page:437-438 documents <-mundr>
- from Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire.
Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968 page 1-2, 342, 350 documents <Agmundr>
of Vakkerfjell - Vakkerfjell, Shire of: This branch-name was registered in May of 1983 (via the West).
The name formation <given + branch name> is acceptable per SENA PN.1.B.2.f.
Device:
Per saltire argent and azure, a goat clymant sable armed Or, a bordure counterchanged.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR or MINOR changes and cares about the gender (male) of the name.
The submitter will NOT allow the creation of a holding name.
The submitter provided no documentation of the name, the below was provided by the West College’s heralds, with additional information included as comments:
Aodh - "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Áed / Aodh" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien). <Aodh> is the Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) form of <Áed>.
An Ard - Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Descriptive Bynames by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) [http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/]. <Ard> is listed here, but the suggested correct name formation would be <Aodh Ard> rather than <Aodh An Ard>.
Mac An Gobhann - surname.
Name formation documentation pending the documentation for the individual name parts.
Note for the West Heralds: Kingdoms are expressly requested to NOT return names that we are unable to document, as the heralds of the Known World may have more success. This name is being sent on, with the comments and research provided by our heralds, for the rest of the Known World to review, research, and comment on. Pelican will make the final decision if the name can be registered or not.
Device:
Vert, in fess a wooden torch proper flamed Or between and sustained by two light-skinned
arms issuant from the flanks proper.
The submitter cares about the meaning (none noted) and gender (female) of the name.
Arnóra - NCS Geirr Bassi p.7: Arnora
and from the Viking Answer Lady “Arnóra” [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml].
Ulfsdotter - Bassi p. 15 has <Ulfr> and several combinations. The formation of the patronymic is according to Bassi p. 17.
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
The submitter cares about the meaning (none noted) and gender (female) of the name.
Astriðr - NCS Geirr Bassi p.8: Astriðr.
Tryggsdottir - Tryggr - http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml at the heading TryggR.
The formation of the patronymic is according to Bassi p. 17.
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (none noted), and gender (female) of the name.
Ceara - Irish Gaelic (College of St. Gabriel) http://www.s-gabriel.org/2106.
The Gaelic name <Cera> is found in early medieval Irish records, before 1200 [1]. Gaelic spelling underwent a change around the year 1200, and this name was spelled <Ceara> in the later system.
inghean - per SENA, Appendix A, this is the correct spelling for Early Modern Gaelic.
Further documentation can be found at [http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/index.shtml].
Alcan - Norse/Swedish? (prior registration by Household member Sven Gunther Alcan June,1990 Caid) unknown documentation.
Per SENA, Appendix C, Early Modern Gaelic is NOT compatible with Scandinavian languages, even if we could document Alcan as Scandinavian. And if it is just a locative or a descriptive byname, then it would be used without <inghean>.
Note for the West Heralds: Kingdoms are expressly requested to NOT return names that we are unable to document, as the heralds of the Known World may have more success. This name is being sent on, with the comments and research provided by our heralds, for the rest of the Known World to review, research, and comment on. Pelican will make the final decision if the name can be registered or not.
Note: Dauzet's "Dictionnaire étymologique des Noms de Famille et Prénoms de France" p. 5 lists <Alcan> as a surname derived from Spanish. It's undated and isn't a source that can be used with Gaelic, anyway.
FamilySearch has some 16th-17th cen. examples of the Spanish surname Alcan (not batch checked yet sorry):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66ZV-TNBY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6673-X6H2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:664Q-BQ2F (single name)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:66WC-L9D7 (single name)
(more available)
Device:
Azure, in chief a narwhal naiant within a bordure argent charged with eight estoiles azure.
Grym Herald
Domamir was granted the title of Herald Extraordinary by Antonio, Vesper Principal Herald of the West in May 2022.
The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes.
Grym - male married 1585 pm Burnsall, Yorkshire, England, batch M00903-1 [https://familysearch.org/ar:/61903/1:1:NL6S-GNG].
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (none specified) and gender (female) of the name.
This is a resubmission for the name originally submitted in May 2022. The submitter reworked all three parts of the name following feedback from the West College.
Fraye - found as both a male and female German given name, specifically: Fraye Hayman, female, married 1624, Wedinghausen Roemisch-Katholische, Arnsberg Stadt, Westfalen, Germany. Batch no. M99290-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J4PG-C5P).
Beatrix - found in "14th-15th C Given Names in Latin from Switzerland" by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael as the Latin form of a feminine given name, dated to between 1375 and 1468. The author lists four instances of this name in this spelling. (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/swiss/villeneuve.html).
- Flemish feminine given name, found in the article "Vlaamse Vrouwennamen - Flemish Feminine Names 1259 - 1530" by Guntram von Wolkenstein, being found multiple times with this spelling. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/vlaamse.htm
von Teufelsberg - NCS Brechenmacher [1957-1960] volume 1 in the D/T section, page 297, lists <Teufelsberger> as derived from <Teufelsberg>. Note the interpolated "s". <Teuffelsberger> is dated to 1588. <Teufelsberg> is reasonable as a place name if these are locative surnames.
The German name formation <double given name + locative> can be found in SENA Appendix A.
Device:
Argent, a foxglove purpure slipped and leaved vert, on a chief doubly enarched sable a crescent argent.
There is a Step From Core Practice for the doubly enarched chief.
The submitter cares about the sound (none noted), and gender (male) of the name.
Hjalmarr - E.H. Lind Dopamn s.n. <Hjalmarr> col. 534 has this as a masculine given name.
Skeggi- E.H. Lind Personbinamn s.n. <Skeggi> col. 320 shows this byname starting with an Icelandic settler (Pordr) <skeggi Hrapps son>.
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
Device:
Per fess sable and gules, a fess embattled between three thistles and a boar rampant argent.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (none noted) and gender (female) of the name.
Ljúfvina – from Viking Answer Lady <Ljúfvina> For the first element Ljúf- see above. The second element -vina is identical to Old Icelandic vinr, "friend". This name appears in Landnámabók for Ljúfvina, daughter of the king of Bjarmaland, in ch. 40.
GB pp. 13.
CV pp. 396, 709 s.v. ljúfr, vinr [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#l].
-Cleasby, Richard and Gundbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-english Dictionary 2nd edition Oxford: Clarendon 1957 page: 396, 709
-Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The old Norse Name. Studio Marklandica I.Ohney, MD: Markland Medieval Militia 1977 page 13
- submitter requested update to submitted name to include accents and diacritical marks at the West College meeting.
of Vakkerfjell - Vakkerfjell, Shire of: This branch-name was registered in May of 1983 (via the West).
The name formation <given + branch name> is acceptable per SENA PN.1.B.2.f.
Device:
Argent, a fox rampant contourny azure marked argent and footed sable, on a chief
embattled azure three flames proper
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the spelling (none noted), and gender (female) of the name.
Miranda - legal given name, documentation provided.
of Vakkerfjell - Vakkerfjell, Shire of: This branch-name was registered in May of 1983 (via the West).
The name formation <given + branch name> is acceptable per SENA PN.1.B.2.f.
Device:
Per bend azure and gules, a bend Or between three ravens and three thistles argent.
The submitter cares about the language and culture (Pre 12th century Gaelic), and gender (male) of the name.
Ruaidri - Taken from first column, given name.
Mac Muirchertaig - Taken from the second column, patronymic.
https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/irish100/ (College of St. Gabriel)The Gaelic name formation (Given name + mac + patronymic byname) is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
The West College suggests this should be <Ruaidrí mac Muirchertaig>.
Device:
Vert, three boars passant Or armed sable.
Note: the arming tincture is important to the submitter.
Device submission was returned on the June 2018 LoAR with the comments: Device. Purpure, a winged ounce sejant, dexter forepaw raised, Or within a bordure argent semy of pairs of needles in saltire gules.
“This device is returned for redraw. Commenters struggled to identify the tertiary charges as needles, with most guessing that the charges in saltire were simply saltires couped.
Upon resubmission, the submitter should take steps to ensure that the tertiary charges have sufficient space to be identified, perhaps increasing the width of the bordure to assist in this effort.”
The resubmission addresses the identifiability of the tertiary charges.
Purpure, a winged ounce sejant, dexter forepaw raised Or, within a bordure argent semy of pairs of needles in saltire gules.
The submitter cares about the meaning (none noted), and gender (female) of the name.
Thorvi – VAL [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml] cites Peterson's Nordiskt runnamnslexikon for this name. Peterson is correctly cited.
-vi: VAL [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml] cites Peterson's Nordiskt runnamnslexikon for this name element. Peterson is correctly cited.
Tryggsdotter - formed from: Tryggr: VAL cites C&V p. 643 and Peterson's Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. Both are correctly cited. The formation of the patronymic is according to Bassi p. 17
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
The submitter will accept MAJOR changes and cares about the meaning (none noted), and gender (male) of the name.
Tryggr - Viking Answer Lady at the heading TryggR cites C&V p. 643 and Peterson's Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml] Both sources are correctly cited.
Bjornsson – formed from: NCS Geirr Bassi Haraldson Old Norse Name - Bjorn - p8. The formation of the patronymic is according to Bassi p. 17
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
Gareth Wolfhall
The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes and cares about the gender (male) of the name.Gareth - named after a knight of the Round Table [https://kingarthursknights.com/knights-of-the-round-table/sir-gareth/].
- from NCS Withycombe p. 125 dated to 1593.
Wolfhall – no documentation provided by submitter. The West heralds provide the following:
Family Search shows a bunch of names that are almost like Wolfhall:
Alice Wolfall
Clemence Woolfall
Margreat Woofall
Cicely Woolfall
but nothing that ends in -hall.
Or it may be possible to form as a placename:
[https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1300523]
lists a lot of the years the place is mentioned, but has few direct quotes. One of the
quotes from 1539 (in an accounts book) spells it <Wulf Haull>. Several places blandly indicated
that Wulfhall and Wolfhall were both used but without years/quotes/sources.
See also
[https://thetudortravelguide.com/2018/10/20/the-resurrection-of-wolf-hall/].
The Middle/Early Modern English language name formation <given + byname> or <given + unmarked locative> is found in SENA Appendix A.
RETURNS
Badge: RETURN with the comments: the foxglove is neither issuant from (stem issuing directly from) nor overall (overlaps on all edges, including bottom) the crescent. This badge was determined to be indescribable under the current rules and is therefor sent back for further work.
ADMINISTRATIVE RETURNS
New name and device Returned due to lack of payment. The name was correctly documented and no conflicts were found for the name or device at this time.
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