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ATTENDEES:
Alizan De la Fontaine, Vesper; Edith of Swanesdale, Matins; Krysta of Starfall, Clerk of the College; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Baldric; Domamir Vlatko syn, PEaL; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Astrið of Swansvale, Green Banner; Frederick of Holland, PaL; Moira O'Connor, Sable Swan; Eilis o'Boirne, Green Crown; Ommadan inigeneRu, Cornet; Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, PaL; Caoilinn Rose Maddox, PaL, Angus Duncan Cameron, PEaL.
In remote attendance: Ræv Kolfinnsson, Leveret; Sigríðr Siggadóttir, Rivenoak Cornet; Lindsay
COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
Heralds' Meetings for 2019: November 17. Meetings usually begin at 11:00 AM and will
be held at Green Crown's home unless otherwise noted. Meetings for 2020: January 5
(at Twelfth Night), March 8, May 17, July 26 (THIS IS A CHANGE), September 20,
and November 15.
The DEADLINES for submission forms and documentation are: 2019: November 6. 2020 Deadlines: December 18, 2019 for the January meeting, February 26, May 6, July 15 (THIS IS A CHANGE), September 9, and November 4. Submission forms must be complete and received either via EMAIL or hardcopy by the deadline date at midnight to be considered at the next meeting (which is about 11 days later, except December due to holidays and the roadshow meeting prep time needed). If the forms are EMAILED, then payment must arrive by the meeting day. WALK-IN submissions will only be considered if there is time, but in most cases will be delayed until the next meeting so that each submission can be reviewed fully.
REPORTS
Vesper (Alizan): We are now sadly short on voice heralds. Having gone through all the paperwork passed on to her as Vesper, Alizan has provided the SCA Board of Directors with a bunch of missing Minutes, and the SCA College of Arms with a bunch of missing LoARs.
Seawolf (Domamir): Mists Coronet is next weekend, he is planning to advertise a 'learn to herald a tourney' class Saturday morning.
Sable Swan (Moira): Cynaguan Coronet is in 6 weeks. Very organized Prince and Princess, who make her job easy! Court reports are going in on time.
Stellanordica (Bianca): No report received.
Exchequer (Domamir): Q2 has been submitted and accepted by Kingdom Exchequer. The College is solvent. He will follow up to ensure the West's account with the CoA is well-funded.
Matins (Edith): Deputy (Hannah): Submissions continue. West is on the edge to transition to electronic submissions / digital archives, we just need to shop for, approve, and purchase our digital storage.
Clerk of the College (Krysta): She is still serving the College, still hosting the meetings.
Green Crown (Eilis): Purgatorio happened, we have a new King & Queen. Thank you to everyone who heralded courts. Still working to find a deputy. Flieg will have the books, when Eilis is not present.
Baldric (Gwenhwyfaer): Potential Heralds Collegiums: tracks of courses at May 2020 Arts Fair and/or at Nov. 2020 Collegium.
Brachet (Kean), Leveret (Ræv): Commenting continues. Ræv is now Deputy Brachet (i.e. Leveret).
Green Cloak (Ari Ella): Due to mundane issues, she will not be able to take Heralds Point to Crown, but will be there herself. Astrið and Edith volunteer their camp to be heralds point, they will set up on the Lists Field as this location.
Green Trumpet (vacant): Deputy Support: Juliana of Sunset Shire: New Senior Staff position. This position will oversee Town Cry (formerly called Duty Shout) and Heralds Point (information). If interested in this position, please contact Vesper.
The duties of this position include: for Kingdom events: staff and manage information point out of Heralds Point, staff and manage town cries. Store, transport, and arrange set-up & pack-down of Heralds Point to all Kingdom events, specifically: Crown Tourneys (March, June, October), Beltane & Purgatorio Corontations, West-An-Tir War, Great Western War in coordination with Green Cloak.
Green Banner (Astrið): There has not been a consultation table event since the last meeting. They will be at Mists Coronet, Fall Crown, and Cynaguan Coronet over the next two months.
She is still doing most of the name commentary on the Kingdom LoIs, with much appreciated help from Ræv and Aasa. She is looking forward to Aasa training on and potentially handing over this position (having held it for many years).
Golem (Hirsch): Courts reports are mostly coming in pretty fast, he even has some already turned in from the day before.
As the Kingdom Historian, he went through the Ordinary and Armorial database, reviewing all items registered in the West and adding them to the Who's Who [http://history.westkingdom.org/Who/namesearch.php].
The tricky part was to fix cross-references and missed registrations with the West CoH's Awards List [http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Awards/index.php]. The Who's Who is now a lot more accurate, there are a lot more cross-references between the two, and he added over 1,000 entries. The last step is to work on those registrations in the OandA from the early years which do not have a Kingdom of origin listed.
ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTSFacebook Page: The West Kingdom Heralds' have their own page on Facebook, announcements, help with consultation, and more are often done there:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/302970543102065/
MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. NOTE that we are only using this for announcements and we may eventually phase it out. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
There are also individual mailing lists on Yahoo for the Principalities, but the traffic has gone to announcements only, and again these may be phased out in preference to the Facebook page noted above. Details can be found at the bottom of this page: I Need to Contact a Kingdom or Principality Herald
ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Vesper at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.
BRACHET MEETINGS
Contact brachet@heralds.westkingdom.org for external commenting participation. A central Cynagua external commenting meeting may begin soon, so watch this space!
EXCERPTS FROM THE LOARS
The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.June 2019 LoAR (printed June 29, 2019) (West - March, 2019 LOI)
Cover Letter
From Wreath: Pending for Redraw
On the December 2018 LoAR I proposed a policy change to armory that was determined by Wreath to require a redraw prior to registration. Rather than returning armory for redraw by the submitter or consulting herald, who would need to interpret Wreath's descriptions of the issue, instead the Wreath office will pend the submission, provide new emblazons for submitter approval, and run said emblazons through a fast-tracked "Letter of Pends for Redraw," or LoPfR.
Commentary on this policy was overwhelmingly positive, and we are implementing this policy, starting with this letter. Nine pieces of armory were identified as requiring a redraw, and emblazons were sent out. Every submitter responded approving the revised artwork prior to the publication of this letter.
The process for pends for redraw shall be the following:
As soon as possible after the decision meeting where Wreath identifies the need for armory to be redrawn, either the Sovereign or an appointed deputy will create a new emblazon. Where possible, the existing artwork will be used; if necessary, artwork will be sourced as much as possible from period rolls of arms, as well as the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry (many thanks to Bruce Batonvert for permission to use his art).
Once the new emblazon is prepared and approved (if not prepared directly) by Wreath, the art will be sent to the submissions herald of the submitter's kingdom, requesting that they reach out to the submitter for approval. A LoPfR will also be prepared, scheduled for release when the LoAR is published. If the submitter approves the artwork prior to the publication of the LoAR and LoPfR, it will be noted on the pended item.
From Pelican: Using Lingua Societatis
When requesting the lingua Societatis form of a descriptive byname in a language other than English, please remember to document the modern phrase that the submitter wants. Pelican and our staff are fluent in many languages, but not in every language that is used in the Society. For example, this month we had a request for a lingua Societatis form in modern Swedish that provided no evidence supporting the requested modern Swedish form. Fortunately, we were able to fill in the blanks, otherwise we would have been required to return the submission. Modern forms for lingua Societatis can be documented with modern dictionaries, as long as English translations are provided, or with modern English to language dictionaries.
From Palimpsest: Changes to SENA NPN3C
The March 28 Palimpsest Rules Letter proposed an update to SENA NPN.3.C, Nonpersonal Name Conflict. We are approving these changes with some added examples.
SENA NPN3C
C. Standards for Identity Conflict: To be clear of conflict, the substantive elements of two names must be substantially different in sound and appearance. Matters such as meaning, language, etymological origin, etc., are completely irrelevant, as conflict is a modern concept. Designators and the prepositions or articles which link them to the substantive elements do not count for difference (though they can be sufficient to allow registration with permission to conflict). Only sound and appearance of the substantive elements are considered for difference. Thus, the Latinized form of a name may be clear of conflict from the vernacular form. While we do not go out of our way to consider variant pronunciations, we do consider important period and modern pronunciations of name elements.
For a pair of non-personal names to be substantially different, the substantive elements of two non-personal names must be different in sound and appearance under the standards laid out below. This entails meeting at least one standard for substantial difference in sound and at least one standard for substantial difference in appearance. Substantive elements are compared as complete items, even if the elements have different capitalization or spacing.
For example, in House of Lancastre, Lancastre is the substantive element; in Grimwithshire, Grimwith is the substantive element. In the case of House of the Black Bear, Black Bear is the substantive element. Substantive elements are compared as complete items, so the Shire of Southam Ton conflicts with the Shire of Southamton, because the substantive elements are the same, except for changes in spacing and capitalization. Because the designator does not contribute difference, Shire of Southam Ton also conflicts with Barony of Southamton. The Order of the Whistle does not conflict with the Order of the Whistle of Drachenwald, because the substantive elements being compared are Whistle and Whistle of Drachenwald.
Analyzing substantial changes in sound often requires counting sound changes. Under these standards, a single sound is defined as a consonant sound, vowel sound, or diphthong (two vowels combined in a single syllable).
For example, the English tavern name element Hat has three sounds: the consonant sound represented by 'H', the vowel sound represented by 'a', and the consonant sound represented by 't'. For example, in the English place name element Down, the 'o' and the 'w' combine to form a single sound, the diphthong 'ow'. Thus, Down has three sounds, the consonant sound represented by 'D', the diphthong 'ow', and the consonant sound represented by 'n'. For example, in the English place name element Throp, the 't' and 'h' combine to make a single consonant sound. Thus, Throp has four sounds: the consonant sound represented by 'th', the consonant sound represented by 'r', the vowel sound represented by 'o', and the consonant sound represented by 'p'.
A change to appearance involves the insertion, deletion, or substitution of a letter or space. Changes to accents and punctuation do not contribute to substantial changes in appearance. Changes between upper- and lowercase also do not contribute to substantial changes in appearance.
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C. Standards for Identity Conflict: To be clear of conflict, the substantive elements of two names must be substantially different in sound and appearance. Matters such as meaning, language, etymological origin, etc., are completely irrelevant, as conflict is a modern concept. Designators and the prepositions or articles which link them to the substantive elements do not count for difference (though they can be sufficient to allow registration with permission to conflict). Only sound and appearance of the substantive elements are considered for difference. Thus, the Latinized form of a name may be clear of conflict from the vernacular form. While we do not go out of our way to consider variant pronunciations, we do consider important period and modern pronunciations of name elements.
For a pair of non-personal names to be substantially different, the substantive elements of
two non-personal names must be different in sound and appearance under the standards laid
out below. Substantive elements may be different in sound under and appearance under
another standard.
For example, in House of Lancastre, Lancastre is the substantive element; in
Grimwithshire, Grimwith is the substantive element. In the case of House of
the Black Bear, Black Bear is the substantive element.
Additionally, South Hamtonand Shire
, because the substantive elements are the same,
just with different spacing and capitalization.
Analyzing substantial changes in sound often requires counting sound changes. Under these standards, a single sound is defined as a consonant sound, vowel sound, or diphthong (two vowels combined in a single syllable).
For example, the English tavern name element Hat has three sounds: the consonant sound represented by 'H', the vowel sound represented by 'a', and the consonant sound represented by 't'. For example, in the English place name element Down, the 'o' and the 'w' combine to form a single sound, the diphthong 'ow'. Thus, Down has three sounds, the consonant sound represented by 'D', the diphthong 'ow', and the consonant sound represented by 'n'. For example, in the English place name element Throp, the 't' and 'h' combine to make a single consonant sound. Thus, Throp has four sounds: the consonant sound represented by 'th', the consonant sound represented by 'r', the vowel sound represented by 'o', and the consonant sound represented by 'p'.
A change to appearance involves the insertion, deletion, or substitution of a letter or space. Changes to accents and punctuation do not contribute to substantial changes in appearance. Changes between upper- and lowercase also do not contribute to substantial changes in appearance.
SENA NPN3C1
1. Changes to the Sound of Two Syllables: Names are substantially different in sound if changes to the substantive element affect the sound of at least two syllables (including adding, removing, or reordering them). If the changes only affect adjacent sounds, they must affect more than two sounds to be considered different under this standard.
For example, College of Saint Claris is substantially different in sound from College of Santa Clara because two syllables change in sound, and another is added. Barony of Denituna is substantially different from Barony of Denton, because one syllable has changed and two have been added. While the names are etymologically linked (with the first an earlier Latinized version of the second name), multiple syllables have difference in sound and appearance.
For example, Sign of the White Eagle is not substantially different in sound from Sign of the Whyt Egle, because a common pronunciation of the substantive elements is identical. Hamdon House is not substantially different in sound from Hapton House; the changes affect two syllables, but the sounds in question (the md and pt group in the middle of the first word) are adjacent.
For example, Order of the Wolf and Falcon is substantially different from Order of the Falcon and Wolf and Blanche Rose Pursuivant is substantially different from Rose Blanche Pursuivant. In both cases, the substantive element has been reordered. Reordering of the substantive element and the designator does not clear conflict, so House of Lancaster is not substantially different from Lancaster House.
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1. Changes to the Sound of Two Syllables: Names are substantially
different in sound if changes in sound and appearance
letters or letters or sounds, in general. Change
in spacing between elements counts as a change in appearance, but is not
a change in
sound.
For example, College of Saint Claris is substantially different from
College ofboth sound and appearance,
For example, Sign of the White Eagle is not substantially different in
sound from Sign of the Whyt Egle; while they are substantially
different in appearance, they are not substantially different in sound.
from
Hampton only two adjacent letters and their
mptword).
For example, Order of the Wolf and Falcon is substantially different from Order of the Falcon and Wolf and Blanche Rose Pursuivant is substantially different from Rose Blanche Pursuivant. In both cases, the substantive element has been reordered. Reordering of the substantive element and the designator does not clear conflict, so House of Lancaster is not substantially different from Lancaster House.
SENA NPN3C2
2. Substantial Change to the Sound of One Syllable: Names are substantially different in sound if a single syllable in their substantive element (excluding articles, prepositions, and conjunctions, such as de, the, or and) is changed in sound as described here. The addition or removal of a syllable makes two names substantially different in sound. Two names are also substantially different in sound if the sound of a syllable is substantially changed in one of the following ways. If a vowel and the consonant or group of consonants on one side of this vowel is completely different, we consider a syllable to be substantially changed. When the sounds of the consonant or group of consonants on both sides of a vowel are completely different, we also consider the syllable to be substantially changed.
For example, the Shire of Charford is substantially different from Shire of Northcharford, as a syllable is removed. Similarly, House of Charring is substantially different from House of Charring Cross, as a syllable is removed.
For example, Canton of Caldbek is substantially different in sound from Canton of Caldwell, because the consonants on each side of the vowel in the second syllable of the substantive elements are different. The branch name Canton of Caldbek is also significantly different in sound from Barony of Birkbek; in this case, the consonants on each side of the vowel and the vowel in the first syllable of the substantive element are different. Northwood House is substantially different in sound from Southwood House: comparing the syllables North- and South-, we see that the first consonant group is completely changed, as is the sound of the vowel. (The second consonant group in this syllable shares the -th sound, so cannot contribute difference under this rule.)
For example, Caldwell Herald is not substantially different in sound from Coldwell Herald; the change only affects the vowel sound of the first syllable. The Green Band is not substantially different in sound from Green House, because no change has been made to the substantive element Green (excluding the).
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2. Substantial Change to the Sound of One Syllable: Names are substantially different in sound if a single syllable in their substantive element (excluding articles, prepositions, and conjunctions, such as de, the, or and) is changed in bothand appearance sound appearance. This means that the vowel and (or consonants) the vowel is different between the two names. In either case, the change in spelling (including addition or removal of letters) must affect at least two letters in that substantial.
For example, the Shire of Charford is substantially different from Shire of Northcharford, as a syllable is removed. Similarly, House of Charring is substantially different from House of Charring Cross, as a syllable is removed.
For example, Canton of Caldbek is substantially different in sound from Canton of Caldwell from Barony of Birkbek; in each case one is changed in both sound and appearance. because the initial syllable of the substantive element is changed in both sound appearance (two letters are changed).
For example, Caldwell Herald is not substantially different in sound from Coldwell Herald; the change only affects the vowel sound (and a single letter).
For example, the Shire of Charford is substantially different from Shire of Northcharford, as a syllable is removed. Similarly, House of Charring is substantially different from House of Charring Cross, as a syllable is removed.
SENA NPN3C
3. Substantial Change to the Sound of a Single-Syllable Name Element: Two names whose substantive elements are two words or less and have a comparable single-syllable name element (excluding articles and prepositions, such as de and the) are eligible for this rule. Comparable single-syllable name elements are substantially different in sound if a group of adjacent vowels or of adjacent consonants within a word is completely changed, so that they have no sound in common. In rare cases, the sound may still be too similar for this rule to clear the conflict. On a case by case basis, two-syllable name elements may be eligible for this rule, such as Harry and Mary.
For example, House of the White Cat is substantially different in sound from House of the White Hat; each has a single syllable word in the substantive element with an initial consonant cluster that is different in sound. Bull House is substantially different in sound from Birch House; each has a single syllable word with a final consonant cluster that is different in sound and appearance. Round House is not substantially different in sound from Broun House because the r and Br groups share a sound, as do the nd and n consonant groups.
For example, College of Saint John is substantially different in sound from College of Saint Jayn, because the vowel sounds are completely changed. However, College of Saint John of Essex is not substantially different in sound from College of Saint Jayn of Essex because they both have substantive elements longer than two words and cannot use this rule.
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3. Substantial Change of like The change of a single letter is sufficient for two eligible name phrases to be different in appearance, as such name phrases are quite short. names phrases
For example, House of the White Cat is substantially different in sound from House of the White Hat; each has a single syllable word in the substantive element with an initial consonant cluster that is different in both sound and a single letter difference in appearance. Bill Roune sound; they are substantially different in appearance.
For example, College of Saint John is substantially different in sound from College of Saint Janeeach has a single syllable word in the substantive element that is substantially different in sound and appearance. Jane
SENA NPN3C4
4. Changes to the Appearance of Multiple Letters: Two non-personal names are substantially different in appearance if a change in spelling (including addition or removal of letters and insertion or deletion of spaces) affects at least two letters or spaces in their substantive elements.
For example, College of Saint Claris is substantially different in appearance from College of Santa Clara: when changing from Saint Claris to Santa Clara, one letter is deleted and one added to the first word, and in the second word one letter is changed and a second letter is deleted. Bill House is substantially different in appearance from Birch House, because three letters in the substantive element have changed.
For example, House of the White Cat is not substantially different in appearance from Order of the White Cat or White Cat Herald. In all three cases, the substantive elements are identical.
SENA NPN3C5
5. Substantial Change to the Appearance of a Short Name: Two names whose substantive elements are two words or less (excluding articles and prepositions, such as de and the) are eligible for this rule. Changing one letter in words that both have four or fewer letters suffices for substantial difference in appearance. On a case by case basis, changes to the beginning of longer words, such as Harry and Larry, may also be eligible for this rule.
For example, House of the White Cat is substantially different in appearance from House of the White Hat. The substantive elements are both two words long, and both Cat and Hat have three letters. On the other hand, Pers Hall is not significantly different in appearance from Peris Hall, because the substantive element Peris has more than four letters and thus this rule does not apply.
SENA NPN3C6
6. Examples of Non-Personal Name Conflict Checks: Here are some examples of pairs of non-personal names that are clear of identity conflict.
For example, College of Saint Claris is substantially different in sound from College of Santa Clara under NPN.3.C.1 because two syllables change in sound, and another is added. The two names are substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.4 because more than two letters are changed. Thus, College of Saint Claris and College of Santa Clara are clear of identity conflict.
For example, Canton of Caldbek is substantially different in sound from Canton of Caldwell under NPN.3.C.2 because the second syllable of the substantive element is substantially changed. The two names are substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.4 because two letters are changed and a third has been added. Thus, Canton of Caldbek and Canton of Caldwell are clear of identity conflict.
For example, House of the White Cat is substantially different in sound from House of the White Hat under NPN.3.C.3 because a group of consonants in one word of a two-word substantive element is completely changed. The two names are substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.5 because one letter in a three-letter word of the substantive element has changed. Thus, House of the White Cat and House of the White Hat are clear of identity conflict.
Here are some examples of pairs of non-personal names that have an identity conflict.
For example, College of Saint Claris has an identity conflict with Saint Claris Hall. In both names, the substantive element is Saint Claris. Because designators do not contribute difference, these names conflict. Similarly, House of the White Cat and White Cat Herald have identical substantive elements and are in conflict.
For example, College of Saint John of Essex has an identity conflict with College of Saint Jayn of Essex. The two names are not different in sound under NPN.3.C.1 because only one syllable is changed. The two names are not different in sound under NPN.3.C.2 because no consonants have changed. Because both names have substantive elements longer than two words, NPN.3.C.3 does not apply. The two names happen to be substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.4, since two letters have been changed, but because they are not substantially different in both sound and appearance, they have an identity conflict.
For example, Pers Hall has an identity conflict with Peris Hall. The two names happen to be substantially different in sound under NPN.3.C.2, because a syllable has been added. However, they are not substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.4 because only one letter has been added, and they are not substantially different in appearance under NPN.3.C.5 because Peris has more than four letters and thus the rule does not apply. Because the two names are not substantially different in both sound and appearance, they have an identity conflict.
West Acceptances - June LoAR
Áine inghean Culain. Name.Culan mac Cianain. Name change from Culen mac Cianain.Submitted as Áine inghean Culann, the Gaelic name Culann is not registerable by precedent:
No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that Cúlann is a period name used by humans. The submitter documented the name from an article at http://www.libraryireland.com which references St. Culann as an Irish saint for whom a bell was named. However, this is a modern English spelling of a saint's name about whom we have no information; the site only says that Culann is a saint, but gives no dates. We have been unable to date this saint's name to period. The only examples of the name Culann found by the submitter[] were in the "Táin Bó Cúalnge" from the Book of Leinster (online at the CELT site, http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/T301035/). Here is it the name of a wholly legendary character from whom the hero Cú Chulainn derives his name. Barring documentation that the name Culann [was used] in non-legendary contexts in period, it is not registerable. [Culann mac Cianain, LoAR 09/2007, East-A]
Gaelic names used only by wholly legendary figures remain unregisterable. [Baine Montgomerie, 09/2017 LoAR, A-Calontir] No new evidence has been provided for the use of Culann by human beings within the SCA's period. Therefore, the name Culann remains unregisterable.
In commentary, Brían dorcha ua Conaill and Lillia Crampette found evidence of a Gaelic saint named Culanus or Culan. As it is the name of a human saint, the name Culan can be registered. Therefore, we have changed the name to Áine inghean Culain, putting Culan into the proper genitive (possessive) form.
Standard Gaelic grammar requires C- to lenite after inghean. However, Brian dorcha ua Conaill provided the necessary three examples of lenition of C- being omitted in actual practice. Therefore, per the July 2017 Cover Letter, no further spelling changes are necessary to make the name registerable.
Donnubán se Reade. Device. Quarterly argent and azure, a fret gules, a bordure sable. Ellisif í Reykiarvik. Name (see RETURNS for device).Submitted as Culann mac Cianain, the Gaelic name Culann is not registerable. We can do no better than to quote the original decision on this submitter's name:
No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that Cúlann is a period name used by humans. The submitter documented the name from an article at http://www.libraryireland.com which references St. Culann as an Irish saint for whom a bell was named. However, this is a modern English spelling of a saint's name about whom we have no information; the site only says that Culann is a saint, but gives no dates. We have been unable to date this saint's name to period. The only examples of the name Culann found by the submitter[] were in the "Táin Bó Cúalnge" from the Book of Leinster (online at the CELT site, http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/T301035/). Here is it the name of a wholly legendary character from whom the hero Cú Chulainn derives his name. Barring documentation that the name Culann [was used] in non-legendary contexts in period, it is not registerable. [Culann mac Cianain, LoAR 09/2007, East-A]
Gaelic names used only by wholly legendary figures remain unregisterable. [Baine Montgomerie, 09/2017 LoAR, A-Calontir] No new evidence has been provided for the use of Culann by human beings within the SCA's period. Therefore, the name Culann remains unregisterable.
In commentary, Brían dorcha ua Conaill and Lillia Crampette found evidence of a Gaelic saint named Culanus or Culan. As it is the name of a human saint, the name Culan_ is registerable. Although the submitter initially allowed no changes, he specifically gave permission for his name to be registered as Culan_ mac Cianain. We have made this change for registration.
Ellisif í Reykiarvik. Badge. (Fieldless) A titmouse sable marked argent perched upon and sustaining a branch bendwise vert. Genevieve d'Aigues-Mortes. Device. Quarterly ermine and azure, a bee and a bordure Or.Submitted as Ellisif A Reikiavik, the submitter requested authenticity for 13th century Iceland. Meeting this request required a change of the byname to í Reykiarvik. With the submitter's permission we have made this change. As modified, the name is authentic for 13th century Iceland.
Katayun the Silk Merchant. Name and device. Per saltire argent and sable, a raven striking to sinister sable and a mulberry sprig vert fructed gules.The submitter received permission for this armory to conflict with the device of Elspeth ni Conchobhair o Ciarraighe, Paly vert and argent, a bee volant en arriere within a bordure Or.
Owen Owenson. Device. Gyronny of sixteen Or and gules, the Virgin Mary with her arms open azure haloed argent.Katayun is the name of a human character from the Persian epic poem The Shahnameh. We have an established pattern of Persians using names of characters from this poem.
The byname the Silk Merchant is a lingua Societatis form derived from the Arabic occupational byname al-{H.}ar{i-}r{i-}, which is found in Juliana de Luna's "Arabic Names from al-Andalus" (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/alandalus/nicktype.html).
This name combines a Persian literary given name with an Arabic byname, an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C.
Roric Darkinson. Name. Steinarr Ulfsson. Name change from Angus MacDougall.There is a step from period practice for a central charge over a field gyronny of sixteen.
Turstan of Silverdale. Name and device. Azure, a cauldron between three tankards argent, a bordure ermine.Submitted as Steinarr Ulfson, the patronymic byname was not correctly formed. The genitive form of the father's name Úlfr is Úlfs, making the patronymic Úlfsson. We have changed the name to Steinarr Ulfsson, omitting the diacritical mark as is permitted for Old Norse names.
The submitter requested authenticity for 10th-12th century Norse/Scandinavian. Both name elements are from Landnámabók, making this name authentic for 9th-10th century Iceland. Therefore, this name meets the submitter's request.
The submitter's previous name, Angus MacDougall, is released.
Turstan of Silverdale. Badge. Paly wavy gules and Or, a chief argent masoned sable. Tyra Filppusdother. Name and device. Per chevron ployé sable estencely argent and vert, in base a wolf's head erased argent.Nice English name for circa 1300!
Submitted as Tyra Filppussdother, the patronymic byname was not correctly formed. The genitive form of the male name Filppus is simply Filppus, making the patronymic form Filppusdother. We have made this change for registration.
West Returns - June LoAR
Ellisif í Reykiarvik. Device. Per bend sinister azure and purpure, a bend sinister invected argent.This device must be returned for conflict with the badge of the Canton of Elvegast, Gules, a bend sinister of five lozenges conjoined argent. There is a single DC, for the field. Bruce Batonvert provided documentation from the DBA that demonstrated that engrailed, indented, and invected lines of division were used interchangeably by period heralds. A similar precedent was made in the February 2011 return of the device of Caleb Hoggar, which held that "a bend engrailed and a bend lozengy are interchangeable in period." This stance was upheld as recently as September 2016 with the return of Clydwyn Gwehydd's device. We reluctantly extend the equivalence of indented and engrailed lines of division to include invected.
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Matins Herald
SUBMISSONS – September (2019)
ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL
Submitted as "Brynhildr Morðardottir", because 'Mǫrðr' uses an 'ǫ', the West found a reference that this more closely relates to 'a' than to 'o'. Based on this documentation, the West College has adjusted the submission. See documentation below.
The submitter was known by the, unregistered, name Brynhildr of Vakkerfjell.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the gender (female) of the name.
Brynhildr - from the Viking Answer Lady's page on Old Norse Women's Names and sourced from Geirr-Bassi pg. 9: Brynhildr. [http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#b]
Morðardottir - from NCS Geirr Bassi, pg. 13: Morðr. Marðardottir - formed per Bassi, p. 18. The example in Bassi is Astriðr > Astriðardottir.
Names with an o-caudata [= o-ogonek = ǫ], change the "ǫ" to an "a" when forming the genitive [Lehman 2005, 3.3.2 The ā- stems]
Lehman, Winifred. 2005. A Grammar of Proto-Germanic. Linguistics Research Center. University of Texas, Austin. [https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/lrc/resources/books-online/grammar-of-proto-germanic/index.php]. Specifics on the sub-page at [https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/lrc/resources/books-online/grammar-of-proto-germanic/3.-inflection.php#3_2].
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A. Note: Scandinavian names must be submitted either with all diacritical marks or none. This submitter has chosen the latter option.
Armory:
Per pale purpure and sable, a sword inverted between a pair of wings all within an orle
argent.
Old Item: Counterermine, a natural tiger's head cabossed Or marked sable, a bordure ermine, to be retained as a badge upon registration.
Previous submission Sable, a tiger's head cabossed Or marked sable, a bordure embattled ermine was returned for conflict in the Jan. 2019 LoAR with the comments:
"This device is returned for conflict with the device of Thomas Naupegos, Sable, a natural panther's head cabossed Or and a bordure embattled argent. There is one DC for changing the tincture of the bordure. The sable markings do not contribute to difference from an unmarked cat's head, nor is there a difference between a natural panther's head and a natural tiger's head.
There is a step from period practice for the use of a natural tiger's head."
This resubmission is a rework that changes the primary charge, clearing this conflict.
New Submission:
Sable, a natural tiger rampant contourny Or marked sable, a bordure ermine.
There is an SFPP for the use of a natural tiger.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the meaning (none noted), language and/or culture (none noted), and gender (female) of the name.
Ihala - from NCS "Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names)" by Rouva Gertrud: IHA- ? An old Finnish name: Ye de oncala 1340. IHALA Ihala Ikemielisson 1570. IHALEMPI Yhalemppe 1432, FMU III 2056. IHANTI Yhandes de Pöhäeranta 1373, SB 223." [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm].
Kettuinen - found online with the help of Maria Laino from the Kingdom of Drachenwald: The land survey of Savonia Minor in 1562-1564 [on the net at http://kaino.kotus.fi/www/verkkojulkaisut/julk19/savolax.php] has e.g. Mangz Kettuinen [http://kaino.kotus.fi/www/verkkojulkaisut/julk19/savolax.php?f=folio60v&n=Kettuinen] - Evidence is found in very small print at the top of the page.
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Per fess with a left step Or and gules, in dexter chief three musical notes sable.
The submitter cares about the meaning (peach) and gender (female) of the name.
Miriam - dated to 1582 England in the DMNES as a variant of Mary in Dutch. [http://dmnes.org/name/Mary]
- FamilySearch C-batch lists <Miriam Wilkye> christened 1599 [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMPJ-C8W]. Also <Miriam White>, 1588, C-batch [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2H2-22C]; <Miriam Harbottell>, 1588, P-batch [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP2M-QG9], and others in the late 1500s, as well as many between 1600 and 1650.
Both C and P batches are generally acceptable.
Petchey - from the "Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland" on pg. 2092 under 'Petchey': Ann Petchey, 1567 in IGI (Gilston, Herts); Johes Petchey, 1592 in IGI (Ingastone, Essex); Johannis Petchey, 1612, Robert Pechy, 1623 in IGI (Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk); Marie Petchey, 1618 in IGI (Saint Botolph without Aldgate, London). [https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Oxford_Dictionary_of_Family_Names_in.html?id=0AyDDQAAQBAJ]
The English name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Argent, a domestic cat rampant contourny purpure and a bordure potent vert.
Or, a heart gules winged azure.
The submitter was known by the, unregistered, name Arjac of Vakkerfjell.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the gender (male) of the name.
Ragnarr - from NCS Geirr Bassi p.14.
Walerichsson - from: [http://www.heiligenlegenden.de/monate/april/01/walerich/home.html].
The documentation indicates that Walerich/Valeric/Valéry was a 7th century Frankish saint, but does not give a dated spelling. Under <Walrich>, the DMNES gives the Latin <Walericus> from 1179 France [http://dmnes.org/name/Walrich].
Considering a theoretical construction of Walerich into Old Norse/Scandinavian, the deuterotheme of Waleric would definitely be -rikr/-rekr which follows the standard masculine case and the genitive would be -riks/-reks.
Given that many Old Norse scribes loved to write Scandinavian V as W, a hypothetical Walrikr/Walrekr as a constructed name is entirely plausible, and would be expressed in the patronymic as Walriksson/Walreksson.
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A. SENA Appendix C states that Frankish and Scandinavian are compatible 550-1100.
Armory:
Argent, a wolf's head cabossed per chevron sable and gules distilling five gouttes,
a bordure gules.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (Richard Deen) of the name.
Richard - from NCS Withycombe, p. 253-254, states that the spellings <Ricard> and <Richard> were equally common in the Middle Ages. Withycombe also mentions the great popularity of this name at that time and up to the current time.
Dean - from NCSs Reaney & Wilson, p. 128-129, Geoffrey le Dean, 1278.
FamilySearch <John Dean>, 1593 [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V522-W2F], C-batch; <Juhan Dean>, 1586 [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQP9-L5M], P-batch, and many others in the late 1500s and early 1600s.
FamilySearch C-batch: John Dean, christened Oct 1608, Keddington, Lincoln, England. Died Nov 1616. Batch C02947-2 [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGJG-G2L]
Both C and P batches are generally acceptable.
The English name formation <given + byname> is acceptable per SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Per chevron inverted Or and azure, an eagle displayed sable, in base two drakkars Or.
The West notes that this eagle should be significantly larger.
Ermine, a wolf sejant contourny, on a chief sable three coneys courant contourny argent.
The previously registered Úlfarr veiðimaðr Eysteinsson is to be released upon registration.
The submitter requests AUTHENTICITY for the language and/or culture (Cornish) and cares about the meaning (Stag in the name) and the gender (male) of the name.
Talan - from the Academy of St. Gabriel article "The Names: Given Names. Cornish (and other Celtic) Names" by Heather Jones. Listed under Male Names, Group 2 (names not in group 1 that appear in the comparative material (where there is gender evidence)): 'Talan' [https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/bodmin/given2.htm#Given2].
The article cited for <Talan> is also available at the NCS site [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Bodmin/index.html].
Talan: there is additional information on this name in the cited article at [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Bodmin/celtic.html#Celtic].
Pencarrow - from "The Salamanca Corpus: A Glossary of Cornish Names (1869-1871)" by the Rev. John Bannister, LL.D., Vicar of St. Day, pp.120-121: PENCARR-OE, -OW, the head place of Pr.; headland of the stag, C.; head or height of the maps (caerau) M'L.; head Roman (row) castle, Po. [https://studylib.net/doc/8020201/the-salamanca-corpus--a-glossary-of-cornish-names--1869].
Pencarrow: According to "A Popular Dictionary of Cornish Place-Names", by O. J. Padel, p. 132, <Pencarrow Head> is the name of a location on the coast of Cornwall. The name dates at least as far back as c1482, when it was spelled <Pencarowe>. The spelling <Pencarrow> dates to 1748. <Pencarrow> means "stag's head", taken from the two-horned appearance from the sea. [Padel, O. J. 1988. A Popular Dictionary of Cornish Place-Names. Alison Hodge, Cornwall: Bosulval, Newmill, Penzance.]
About Cornish bynames:
In "10th Century Cornish Women's Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn
[http://heraldry.sca.org/names/cornishwomen.html],
the author states that in the source cited "Nearly 30 of the people with Cornish names have
some sort of byname, although none of them are women." "The largest group (three fifths)
have an occupational byname related to the church." "The remainder are divided fairly
evenly between non-clerical occupations and patronyms." "It's worth noting that
all the occupational bynames refer to hierarchical positions, rather than crafts. (This holds true
for the non-Cornish names in the document as well.)"
Tangwystyl mentions that there is one byname that could be from a place-name.
The English name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A. Per SENA Appendix C, Cornish falls under English.
Release of Alternate Name: The submitter requests (on the Name submission form) that his alternate registered name of Angelo Sidoti be released upon registration of this new name.
RETURNS
Device: the previously registered Per pale azure and sable, a stag's head erased and in chief two attires, stumps to center argent. is to be released upon registration.
Per pale azure and sable, a stag springing argent.
Conflict: Purpure, a stag salient argent. Aldwyn ap Llewelyn, badge registered Feb. 1988 (via Atlantia). There is one DC for the change of field tincture. There is no DC between a 'stag springing' and a 'stag salient'.
Please note: 'stag springing' conflicts with 'stag salient' and 'stag rampant'. There are other conflicts for this submission, but the one listed is clear and sufficient for return.
The College suggests that the submitter work with a herald to find a redesign he approves that does not conflict with currently registered armory.
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