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(11:02 am to 2:15 pm)
ATTENDEES:
Aasa Thorvaldsdottir, Vesper; Alizan De la Fontaine, Compline; Edith of Swanesdale, Matins; Krysta of Starfall, Clerk of the College; Hirsch von Henford, Golem; Astrið of Swanesvale, Green Banner; Kean de Lacy, Seawolf; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Baldric; Frederick of Holland, PaL; Na'arah bat Avraham, PaL; Hannah Storyteller, PaL; Faun Woods, Cornet; Domamir Vlatko syn, PEaL; Raev Kolfinnsson, PEaL. In remote attendance: Finna kottr Goðormsdóttir, Rivenoak Pursuivant; Astridor Thorasdottir, Wolfhound.
COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
Heralds' Meetings for 2019: May 19, July 21, September 15, and November 17.
Meetings usually begin at 11:00 AM and will be held at the Clerk of the College's home unless
otherwise noted. Meetings for 2020: January 5 (at Twelfth Night), March 8, May 17, July 12, September 20,
and November 15.
The DEADLINES for submission forms and documentation are: 2019: May 8, July 10, September 4, and November 6. 2020 Deadlines: December 18, 2019 for the January meeting, February 26, May 6, July 1, September 9, and November 4. Submission forms must be complete, and received either via EMAIL or hardcopy by the deadline date at midnight to be considered at the next meeting (which is about 11 days later, except December due to holidays and the roadshow meeting prep time needed). If the forms are EMAILED, then payment must arrive by the meeting day. WALK-IN submissions will only be considered if there is time, but in most cases will be delayed until the next meeting so that each submission can be reviewed fully.
REPORTS
Vesper (Aasa): Compline (Alizon): Aasa's last meeting as Vesper in charge!! Vesper changeover will occur at Beltane. There are a few tasks remaining before the changeover, which will include Roster Letters. Aasa has the draft of ceremony changes from Eilis and is working on reviewing them. Clerk is doing the same, Compline has not yet received the files.
Created as Herald Extraordinary: Hirsch von Henford.
Alizon has requested to keep the meetings at the Clerk's home after she steps into Vesper, and Krysta has agreed.
Laurel has asked that the Principle Heralds, if possible, attend KWHSS. Alizon plans to attend this year.
Seawolf (Kean): Mercifully for everyone involved, he will be passing along this position at Mists Coronet to Domamir Vlatko syn.
Sable Swan (Caoilinn): Unto the Vesper Principal Herald of the Kingdom of the West and the august members of the College of Heralds does Caoilinn Rose Maddox, Sable Swan Herald send greetings and salutations!
She has mighty wishes to tell the College of the great and amazing things that she has done for the College of Heralds in the last few weeks, but, alas, her incursion into the land of Cookies has prevented her from returning to the Kingdom victorious. She knows events have happened, her heralds have filed court reports, and her Principality is thriving under the providence of her Prince and Princess. Hopefully, this is enough to fulfill the College's quest for knowledge at this time, and she will have more to share at the next reporting.
Stellanordica (Rodrigo): Greetings from Stellanordica. He's working in remote areas of Oertha till late in the month but many Oerthan Heralds continue heralding in his absence.
He is still working to turn the office over to Sapphira the Navigator. He is also working with a new Selviergardian Herald and will be watching for a change of Heralds in Winter's Gate as Sheva prepares to move. He is fielding the request from Their Highnesses for a new award. And he plans to work with those needed to update the Oerthan Ceremonies book. Please direct him to those outside Oertha he needs to work with (please reach out to Eilis). Oertha also stands ready to work at June Crown. Please let him know if he / they can help and he'll forward any requests.
Exchequer (Domamir): We have money. Thank you to Flieg for completing the Domesday Report. He is sending in the financial statements requested by Kingdom Exchequer. Needs to schedule time to add his name to the bank account.
Matins (Edith): Deputy: Hannah: Matins has a Deputy! Training is in-process. Submissions continue to come in and get processed. Pelican has been extremely flexible in reaching out to make suggestions on changes to avoid returns. Many thanks to Alys and her team for their hard work.
Regarding changing to a digital archive system: there are three steps to going digital: submissions, payment, archives. None of them have to be done at the same time.
For submissions, we can simply start accepting digital scans (or paper copies that we then scan in) and start saving the files into a new digital archive.
Some discussion around current Corpora and the wording for allowing the use of PayPal for events only. May be possible to use as Heralds Meetings are official events.
Finally, we can, at any point in time, start scanning in the old archived paper files.
More details will be addressed and presented at the next meeting with the goal of moving to a digital archive system in the very near future.
Clerk of the College (Krysta): She is still here.
Green Crown (Eilis): No report received.
Baldric (Gwenhwyfaer): Nothing new to report.
For matters of Name Research:
She purchased, personally, the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland and finds that it might be useful to the College and to those working in name research. She is willing to look up information in her copy for others, but also suggests this is an item the College may want to look into purchasing. It comes with a very high price tag.
Brachet (Cynehild): No report received. She would like to pass on this office. Vesper is currently working with a potential successor:
This position can be completed entirely remotely.
Brachet Herald acts as the WK CoH Commenting Deputy. They are responsible for adding comments in OSCAR to every LoI posted by other kingdoms. This process provides Pelican and Wreath with research information about each entry, including conflict checks (Wreath must have two separate individuals specify they have not found a conflict before he can officially declare the submission as free-of-conflict).
This position has no physical requirements, including geographic location of Brachet Herald. Requirements to do this job are: sufficient understanding of the current rules (SENA) to offer knowledgeable comments on both name and device submissions - at a minimum the knowledge to identify rules violations and the skill to run accurate conflict checks; reliable access to the internet and an OSCAR account; communication skills at a level to post information in a semi-public forum; sufficient available time to comment on up to 20 Kingdom LoIs per month. If interested, please contact Vesper Principal Herald with your qualifications: vesper@heralds.westkingdom.org
Green Cloak (Ari Ella): No report received. Gwenhwyfaer is bringing Heralds Point pavillion to Crown, but it will need to go home with someone else.
Green Trumpet (vacant): Deputy Support: Juliana of Sunset Shire: New Senior Staff position. This position will oversee Town Cry (formerly called Duty Shout) and Heralds Point (information). If interested in this position, please contact Vesper or Compline.
The duties of this position include: for Kingdom events: staff and manage information point out of Heralds Point, staff and manage town cries. Store, transport, and arrange set-up & pack-down of Heralds Point to all Kingdom events, specifically: Crown Tourneys (March, June, October), Beltane & Purgatorio Corontations, West-An-Tir War, Great Western War in coordination with Green Cloak.
Green Banner (Astrið): Consultation Table will be at March Crown, Mists Coronet, and June Crown (in Oertha yay!!). The books will not be at June Crown, but the digital files will. If any Oerthan Heralds have requests for training or information, please let us know so we can be prepared.
Golem (Hirsch): The Awards List is continuing to move forward. Some of the code used here is also making things easier on the History site. He requested at the last meeting that the Senior Staff take a look at their parts of the College's website and send him notes/comments. Please work on this as you can.
His big focus recently has been on updating the WK History site, including moving thousands of photos and relabeling/tagging/cross-referencing everything. Once the Ceremony book changes are reviewed and approved, he will need to spend a small amount of time to get them posted.
ANNOUNCEMENTS / Other Business
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTSFacebook Page: The West Kingdom Heralds' have their own page on Facebook, announcements, help with consultation, and more are often done there:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/302970543102065/
MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. NOTE that we are only using this for announcements and we may eventually phase it out. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
There are also individual mailing lists on Yahoo for the Principalities, but the traffic has gone to announcements only, and again these may be phased out in preference to the Facebook page noted above. Details can be found at the bottom of this page: I Need to Contact a Kingdom or Principality Herald
ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Vesper at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.
BRACHET MEETINGS
Contact brachet@heralds.westkingdom.org for external commenting participation. A central Cynagua external commenting meeting may begin soon, so watch this space!
EXCERPTS FROM THE LOARS
The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.December 2018 LoAR (printed March 6, 2019) (West - No LOI)
Cover Letter
From Wreath: Difference for Tree Shapes
On the July 2018 Cover Letter we asked for commentary on whether our current placement of trees into round, tall, and triangular/coniferous varieties, with a DC between trees in different categories, was in keeping with period practice. Bruce Batonvert provided a fantastic overview of trees as period heraldic charges, which he says will likely be expanded in an article for a future KWHSS Proceedings. In summary, deciduous trees were depicted in a variety of ways depending on the time period and culture, from the stylized crequier to classic ball-on-a-stick cartoon design, and everything in between, including variations which bear the appearance of palm trees. Pine, fir, and other evergreen trees tend to stay with the classic triangular "Christmas tree" shape, and did not vary much beyond that.
Therefore, we are explicitly redefining the categories of tree into generic and coniferous varieties. Trees which are not coniferous, with triangular foliage, fall into the category of generic tree shape, and all conflict with one another; details such as fructing do not count for difference. Coniferous, triangle-shaped trees likewise conflict with one another. There is a DC between generic and coniferous trees.
From Wreath: Pending for Redraw
There are many cases when a device or badge submission must be returned, not for conflict or for breaking our rules on period style, but for problematic artwork. Armory will be returned for redrawing if the charges are drawn so as to be unidentifiable (per SENA A1D), if they blur the distinction between charge groups (per SENA A3D1) or orientations (per SENA A2C2), or for any number of other issues with depictions (the height of a chevron, the erasures of a head or limb, etc.). On the one hand, heraldry is about visual recognition, so it's important that designs be drawn with that in mind; on the other hand, we ought not to penalize our submitters (and their submitting heralds) for not being skilled artists.
In the interests of promoting heraldic registration and heraldic reputation, we wish to propose the following new policy: Armory that would hitherto have been returned solely for redraw will instead be pended for redraw. A new emblazon, with the artistic problems fixed, will be provided by Wreath's staff; the redrawn armory will appear on a Wreath Letter of Intent for commentary.
We propose that this Wreath letter be fast-tracked, with a one-month commentary period. Only armories with artwork problems (and no others) would be pended. While it's possible that some other issue (a conflict missed in initial commentary, for example) may arise in that month, we would expect such issues to have been already considered and resolved; the vast majority of pended submissions would be approved with the reasons for redraw addressed. The one-month period would also give the submitter, through their heralds, enough time to approve the new artwork, without which the armory cannot be registered.
There are, of course, logistic issues to this new policy, which we hope you'll consider in your discussions. Would a checkbox on the submission form, granting permission for redraw without further review by the submitter -- similar to the permission checkboxes on name submissions -- be a good idea? Would the new emblazon be better coming from the submitter or commenting heralds, rather than Wreath's staff directly? If so, what's the most streamlined and timely way of accomplishing this? And so on.
Please give us your thoughts on this proposal by commentary on the LoPaD as usual.
In Service,
Edith of Swanesdale, PaL,
Matins Herald
SUBMISSONS – March (2019)
ITEMS SENT TO LAURELThe submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the gender (female) of the name.
Note that this individual wishes to be the daughter of Culann, name submitted with this Letter, and gives permission for changes to adjust to the spelling of that name and genitive formation changes. The West College notes that the documentation provided may not be sufficient for the spelling of 'Culann' and further, that this name would then need to be changed to the genitive case to be used with this name formation. The West College requests assistance with documentation and with name formation, depending on the decision made for 'Culann mac Cianain'.
Áine - from NCS Index of Names in Irish Annals: Áine by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien): for both Middle Irish Gaelic and Early/Modern Irish Gaelic "Áine" [https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Aine.shtml].
inghean - from Quick and Easy Gaelic Names - Formerly Published as "Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames" 3rd Edition by Sharon L. Krossa: The standard way to form a name using a simple patronymic byname for women is: <single given name> inghean <father's given name (in genitive case & always lenited unless starting with D, T, L, N, R, or a vowel)> which means <given name> daughter <of father's given name> [https://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/].
Culann - Culann is the blacksmith in the story of Cú Chulainn as told in a flashback sequence in Táin Bó Cúailnge. Kinsella 1969, pp. 76-78 and 82?84; Cecile O'Rahilly (ed. & trans.), Táin Bó Cúalnge from the Book of Leinster, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, 1967, pp. 159-163 In Irish legend, Cuchulain is the central figure of the Ulster Cycle, a series of tales revolving around the heroes of the kingdom of Ulster in the early 1st Century. The tales are so old that they were almost forgotten before they were revived by a 7th Century bard, Sechan Torpeist. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/myths_legends/northern_ireland/ni_7/article_1.shtml].
As a small child, living in his parents' house on Muirthemne Plain, he begs to be allowed to join the boy-troop at Emain Macha. However, he sets off on his own, and when he arrives at Emain he runs onto the playing field without first asking for the boys' protection, being unaware of the custom. The boys take this as a challenge and attack him, but he has a ríastrad and beats them single-handed. Conchobar puts a stop to the fight and clears up the misunderstanding, but no sooner has Sétanta put himself under the boys' protection than he chases after them, demanding they put themselves under his protection.
Culann the smith invites Conchobar to a feast at his house. Before going, Conchobar goes to the playing field to watch the boys play hurling. He is so impressed by Sétanta's performance that he asks him to join him at the feast. Sétanta has a game to finish, but promises to follow the king later. But Conchobar forgets, and Culann lets loose his ferocious hound to protect his house. When Sétanta arrives, the enormous hound attacks him, but he kills it in self-defence, in one version by smashing it against a standing stone, and in another by driving a sliotar (hurling ball) down its throat with his hurley. Culann is devastated by the loss of his hound, so Sétanta promises he will rear him a replacement, and until it is old enough to do the job, he himself will guard Culann's house. The druid Cathbad announces that his name henceforth will be Cú Chulainn — "Culann's Hound".
The Gaelic name formation <given name + patronymic byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
The previously registered 'Culen mac Cianain' is to be released upon registration.
The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes and cares about the spelling (given name) of the name.
Culann - Culann is the blacksmith in the story of Cú Chulainn as told in a flashback sequence in Táin Bó Cúailnge. Kinsella 1969, pp. 76-78 and 82-84; Cecile O'Rahilly (ed. & trans.), Táin Bó Cúalnge from the Book of Leinster, Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, 1967, pp. 159-163 In Irish legend, Cuchulain is the central figure of the Ulster Cycle, a series of tales revolving around the heroes of the kingdom of Ulster in the early 1st Century. The tales are so old that they were almost forgotten before they were revived by a 7th Century bard, Sechan Torpeist. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/myths_legends/northern_ireland/ni_7/article_1.shtml].
As a small child, living in his parents' house on Muirthemne Plain, he begs to be allowed to join the boy-troop at Emain Macha. However, he sets off on his own, and when he arrives at Emain he runs onto the playing field without first asking for the boys' protection, being unaware of the custom. The boys take this as a challenge and attack him, but he has a ríastrad and beats them single-handed. Conchobar puts a stop to the fight and clears up the misunderstanding, but no sooner has Sétanta put himself under the boys' protection than he chases after them, demanding they put themselves under his protection.
Culann the smith invites Conchobar to a feast at his house. Before going, Conchobar goes to the playing field to watch the boys play hurling. He is so impressed by Sétanta's performance that he asks him to join him at the feast. Sétanta has a game to finish, but promises to follow the king later. But Conchobar forgets, and Culann lets loose his ferocious hound to protect his house. When Sétanta arrives, the enormous hound attacks him, but he kills it in self-defence, in one version by smashing it against a standing stone, and in another by driving a sliotar (hurling ball) down its throat with his hurley. Culann is devastated by the loss of his hound, so Sétanta promises he will rear him a replacement, and until it is old enough to do the job, he himself will guard Culann's house. The druid Cathbad announces that his name henceforth will be Cú Chulainn — "Culann's Hound".
mac + father's name in the genitive = "son of".
Cianain: OCM p. 51 s.n. Cianan says that this is a diminutive of Cian, and that there were two saints by this name. Cianain is the hypothetical genitive form, following the pattern in 100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn [http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/irish100.html]. Tangwystyl's article contains names found before the 12th century.
mac Cianain - currently registered to the submitter. Existing Registration Allowance.
The Gaelic name formation <given name + patronymic byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
Quarterly argent and azure, a fret gules and a bordure sable.
The submitter cares about the meaning ("Ellisif from Reikjavik" in Old Norse/Icelandic, 13thC) and the gender (female) of the name. The submitter requests AUTHENTICITY for 13th C Iceland for language/culture and time period.
Ellisif - from NCS Academy of St. Gabriel Report 2721, paragraph 4: "All in all it seems unlikely that a native Scandinavian woman would have been named ... <Ellisif> before about 1250. At that point we think that a Scandinavian 'Elizabeth' would actually have been known ... in Iceland as <Ellisif>."
A - meaning "of" or "from" is from an internet Old Norse dictionary.
Reikiavik - the meaning to be "of (or from) Reykjavik".
The West College presents the following as a possible change:
í Reykjarvík - the oldest sources for the Landnamabok date to the 13th century, and in the Sturlubók (ie, the version written by Sturla Þórðarson) the spelling for Reykjavik occurs in 8, kafli as Reykjarvík (Reykjarvík. [This is because the correct genitive form of Reykr is Reykjar.]
This spelling is also found in Cleasby & Vigfusson, pg. 496 col. 1, under the heading REYKR, and provides an alternate spelling of Rækiavic.
As far as the locative marker, it seems like the Norse used either "a" or "i" markers, but the source provided specifically uses "í Reykjarvík". [https://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/landnama.htm]
The Old Norse/Icelandic name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Device: Per bend sinister azure and purpure, a bend sinister invected argent.
Badge: (Fieldless) On a branch bendwise vert, a chickadee sable marked argent.
This badge was adjusted for tincture from the original submission with the submitter's express approval.
Quarterly ermine and azure, a bee and a bordure Or.
Letter of Permission to Conflict included: Elspeth ni Conchobhair o Ciarraighe: registered Feb. 1987 via Caid: Paly vert and argent, a bee volant en arriere within a bordure Or.
Submitter will not accept MAJOR changes and cares about the gender (female) of the name.
The West College requests assistance documenting this name. Please see the comments for the documentation/research completed by the heralds of our College.
Katayun - A mythological figure name in the epic poem The Shahnameh. The Shirvanshahs Dynasty often used names from the Shahnameh. See attached documentation.
the Silk Merchant - no documentation provided.
The Persian name formation <given + descriptive byname> is found in SENA Appendix A, listed for masculine names.
Armory:
Per saltire argent and sable, a raven striking to sinister sable and a
mulberry sprig vert fructed gules.
The image is a redraw of the submission that the submitter has directly approved.
Previous submission was returned on the Oct. 2018 LoAR:
"Or, a heart gules transfixed by in fess five swords inverted azure.
This device is returned for lack of blazonability of the swords. The hilts are arranged three and two, while the tips are aligned in chevron inverted.
Upon resubmission, the submitter should provide documentation for more than one charge transfixing the same charge."
The new submission is a complete rework.
Gyronny of sixteen gules and Or, a maiden statant affronty, arms spread azure haloed of a nimbus argent.
This image is redrawn by the submitter from the original submission to make the maiden figure more clearly recognizable.
The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes and marked no other boxes.
Roric - dated to 1086 in the Domesday Book [http://opendomesday.org/name/473150/roric/].
Darkinson - from NCS Reaney & Wilson, p. 126: 'Darkin'. 'Darkin' Formed to 'Darkinson' per common English patronymic naming as per SENA Appendix A.
The English name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
The submitter cares about the sound, language and/or culture (none noted) and gender (male) of the name with a Request for Authenticity for 10-12th Century Norse/Scandinavian.
This is a change from the previously registered 'Angus MacDougall', which the submitter wishes to release upon registration.
Steinarr - from NCS Geirr Bassi 'Steinarr' p. 15.
Ulfson - patronymic formed from 'Úlfr' by dropping the 'r' and adding '-son'.
- from NCS Geirr Bassi p. 15
The West College suggests that the correct formation from 'Ulfr' is to drop the 'r' and add an 's', then add '-son', as per Bassi p.17 "-r > -s: Grímr > Grímsson, forming the name into Ulfsson.
The Old Norse name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A. The submitter has chosen to use no accents or diacritical marks for this name.
Submitter will not allow MAJOR changes and will not accept a holding name.
Turstan - NCS Withycombe, 1086 s.n. Thurstan: 'Turstan'.
of Silverdale - NCS Eckwall, page 423, Silverdale dd. 1382.
The English name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Device: Azure, a cauldron between three tankards argent, a bordure ermine.
Badge: Paly wavy gules and Or, a chief argent masoned sable.
Previously submitted to Kingdom as 'Nyfain Maighe Tuireadh' in Jan. 2011.
The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the sound (none noted) and gender (female) of the name.
Tyra - from NCS Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 1434, from 3 March 1999 says "<Tyra> is a late period Danish feminine name. We were able to find three different women with this name in 1484, 1488 and 1490." [http://www.s-gabriel.org/1434]
Filppus - from NCS Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2896, from 8 September 2004 lists Filppus on a list of men's names from Norway for the period 1480-1530. [http://www.s-gabriel.org/2896]
-dother - from NCS Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2166 "In Danish, the word for "daughter" appears as <dother> 1495, <dotter> 1524, <daatter> 1550, <daater> 1514, 1529, <daather> 1514 [6]." The reference is Kalkar, Karl Otto Herman Tryde, Ordbog til det AEldre Danske Sprog (1300-1700) (Copenhagen, Thieles bogtrykkeri, 1881-1907), s.v. Dåtter. [http://www.s-gabriel.org/2166]
The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.
Armory:
Per chevron ploye sable estencely argent and vert, in base a wolf's head erased argent.
RETURNS
Sable, a bend vert fimbriated between two mullets argent.
This submission is in conflict with the previously registered: Tigernán Ó Fáeláin, device registered Feb. 2003, via Atlantia: Sable, on a bend vert fimbriated between two mullets of four points elongated to base a wolf statant argent.
There is one Difference for the addition of the wolf, but two such Differences are required to clear conflict. (There is no Difference between mullets of five points and mullets of four points elongated to base.)
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