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MINUTES OF THE MONTHLY MEETING – 22 October XLVI (2011)

The meeting was held on Saturday, 22 October 2011, in Stockton. The meeting started at 12:40PM and ended at 3:05PM. In attendance at this meeting were: Owen ap Morgan, Matins; Moira O’Connor, Vesper; Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym, Brachet; Astrið of Swansvale, Latimer; Eilis O’Byrne, Baldric; Maxen Dawel ap Morgan, Exchequer; Ana Maria de Acosta, Deputy Exchequer; Caoilinn Rose Maddox, Sable Swan; Vincenzo Saracini, Glora Fjord; and Frederick of Holland, PaL.

COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
A meeting will be held on November 20. There is no meeting in December 2011.
The usual Twelfth Night meeting will be held at the hotel at 10AM Sunday morning, January 8, 2012. All senior and branch heralds are expected to attend save those excused by distance and/or prior arrangement.

Time change: As my father has started holding Quaker meetings in our home some Sunday mornings, heraldry meetings will now start at 1:00 PM in order to avoid conflict. Please do not arrive before noon, as the (silent) Quaker meetings will run until then.

PLEASE NOTE: Unless and until specified otherwise, the regular meetings are now taking place in Stockton at the home of Owen ap Morgan, Matins Herald:

2023 Oak Branch Dr
Stockton, CA 95205
(209) 463-6861 (message)
Contact Owen for directions. The drive is approximately an hour from Sacramento and an hour and a half from either Berkeley or San Jose via Livermore.

Walk-in submissions are generally permitted but not encouraged, as they do not allow for advance review and prep work.. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 12:30 PM to allow the file to be pulled or set up. For meetings not held in Stockton (Collegium, 12th Night, etc.) sufficient advance notice to pull any existing file will be required.

We are conducting some preliminary name research through the West Kingdom heraldic consultation mailing list wkheralds_consults@yahoogroups.com . This list is open to all those interested in West Kingdom book heraldry: both names and devices, and either to contribute or to ask questions. To join the list, please subscribe through Yahoo or at wkheralds_consults-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. If you subscribe by e-mail, you can complete the process by replying to the confirmation e-mail; it is not necessary to log in to Yahoo. Please note that initial posts are moderated and thus may not appear on the list immediately.

PERSONNEL -- RECENT CHANGES AND POSITIONS AVAILABLE:

REPORTS

Moira, Vesper- The SCA Board Meeting is on January 28, which is also Cynagua Winter Investiture. Since Vesper is co-Feast-o-crat for Investiture, she will not be attending the Board Meeting. The Known World Heraldic Symposium is scheduled for the same weekend as June Crown. Last year, Vesper attended Symposium and missed June Crown, so this year, she will attend June Crown.

Aasa, Green Cloak – [By Moira] Green Cloak has now been assumed by Aasa Thorvaldsdottir. She is currently unable to haul the Fried Egg, so it is (temporarily?) living in Moira's van. Due to the shuffle of office, there were problems at October Crown, i.e. the populace was not called to the field to witness Investiture, and there was no herald officiating the Field Investiture. There were also minor problems with voice/flag etiquette, which needs to be addressed through training. We also need outreach to the marshals/fighters/households to listen up for their calls.

Ketiley, Banner- [By Eilis] Banner is trying to stay on top of people regarding timely court reports, but is needing assistance with tools for better communication.

Eilis, Baldric- We need to step up job-specific training, and in that vein, there will be a by-invite only Court Herald training workshop, probably the weekend of GRAB.

Owen, Matins – Note in the latest LOAR Cover letter - Barring period evidence, we will ban registering demons, except demon heads.

Matins is looking at obtaining a flat bed scanner to assist in preparing documentation for submissions. Matins was approved to shop for a "all-in-one".

Matins pointed out that the commentary period for the Rules has expired and Laurel has suggested it will go to a vote at the Board Meeting in January. The comments that were made were rather light-weight and few. Book heralds who have not yet looked at the draft rules should do so - we may be stuck with these soon.

Astrið, Latimer- We had a consultation table at Crown and at Mists Coronet. Crown had a decent turnout, Mists had 2 consultations. We will have a consultation table at Cynaguan Coronet and then it will be March Crown before we have another scheduled table. Latimer is diligently working on downloading electronic consultation resources. The upside of this will be the ability to hold more frequent tables for small events because we won't have to lug the books, plus we won't have to worry about weather as much. The downside is it will take time and electronic resources (read: laptop or notebook) and there won't be as much resources as having the books. Suggestion was made to hold large consultation tables with the books at the largest events, and use the e-resources at smaller attended events or even practices.

East Bay Brachet is currently just Flieg and Astrith but we are mostly caught up and staying on top.

Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- August letters are done and we are working on September letters. We will shortly be all caught up. Meetings are going well and we have had extra and new people showing up and participating.

Hirsch, Golem- No report.

Gillian, Seawolf – No report.

Caoilinn, Sable Swan – Primary focus is getting everyone but especially sitting royalty, to start the process for names and devices. Suggestion was made by Flieg and Eilis to have the royalty give a 'during court' endorsement, especially since pageantry is becoming a focus of many of the royals. Currently working on devices for Their Highnesses, with much discussion between artistic and period. . Suggestion was made to add gentle reminders that 'artistic detail' can be used in decorative fashion once the device has been passed.

Bianca, Stellanordica – [By e-mail] All going well, I have been busy with Heralding courts for Their Highnesses. Another event this weekend, Eskalya Pirate event.

Still consulting devices for: His Excellancy Dietrich Georgsoon, Canute, Barak the Hunter, and Helen de Avebury. I have just been contact by their Excellancies Kenrick and Dagmar to begin working on theirs.

I have resent the information for Her Highness Trava for submission, and also forwarded the redraws for their devices.

Maxen, exchequer- No report.

ANNOUNCEMENTS

SUBMISSIONS GUIDELINES

UPCOMING EVENTS
The next regularly scheduled appearance of the consultation table will be in March. Special appearances at local events may be possible by prior arrangement with Latimer; we have actually been getting better turnout at some of these than at Crowns and Coronets.

The 2012 Known World Heralds and Scribes Symposium will be held in the East Kingdom (Rhode Island) over the weekend of June 22-24. Yes, this is the same weekend as West Kingdom June Crown Tourney. Sigh. Those desiring a more convenient time and location may desire to investigate the logistics of hosting one. It hasn't been held in the West in some time.

GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

VOICE HERALDRY: Greencloak will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.

MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Moira at herald@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.

West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.php. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.

BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held most Mondays at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym (Brachet) for more information, (916) 323-4268 or email her, .

EAST BAY COMMENTING MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending – you do not have to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research armory. These meetings have changed location and are now in Walnut Creek on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Latimer Herald, Astrið of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at .

EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR

The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.

JULY 2011 LOAR

Cover letter

From Pelican: Which Rulers are Important Enough to Protect

Precedent about how we protect sovereign rulers has been somewhat contradictory over time. In the November 2004 Cover Letter, Laurel wrote "Sovereigns of nations and empires (Kings, Queens, Khans) are always important enough to protect."

However, there are many insignificant period nations, which disappeared over time into the modern nation-states we know. There were, for example, over 30 taifa kingdoms in 11th century al-Andalus, over 20 kingdoms in Anglo-Saxon England at various points, over 20 kingdoms in 9th century Norway, and six major and over 20 minor kingdoms in pre-Norman Wales. Similar numbers of kingdoms could be identified in other parts of Europe as well. Given the large number of these kingdoms and their relative lack of fame, it is difficult to simply find or create lists of all these rulers of these sovereign states. Because of that problem, Laurel has rarely protected the rulers of these states unless a commenter was interested in the region and went looking for such a ruler. Moreover, on the rare occasion that such a return was made, the sovereign ruler was usually someone most people did not recognize, let alone see as important enough to protect.

Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers: we protect historical rulers of nations that give rise to currently existing countries (including entities like England, Castile, and Aragon) and of nations that play an important role in medieval history but did not survive (Burgundy, Scotland, the Holy Roman Empire, and the like). Sovereigns of small period states that did not give rise directly to modern countries (Deheubarth, Asturias, Valencia, Connacht, Urbino) will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important enough to protect. This includes Italian city states and the French duchies. Similarly sovereigns of provinces or regions integrated into larger units like the Holy Roman Empire will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important enough to protect.

A similar problem exists with legendary rulers. The Gaelic Lebor Gabála Érenn alone lists over 100 legendary kings of Ireland. The Danish Gesta Danorum lists over 50 legendary kings of the Danes. Geoffrey of Monmouth lists over 75 kings of Britain before the Roman invasion in the 1st century BC. Unless a commenter is interested in checking these sources, we do not find out about these possible conflicts.

Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers here as well: legendary rulers, even of significant nations, will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important enough to protect.

This ruling does not address our treatment of the rulers of modern nation-states; that remains unchanged.

From Pelican: Heraldic Titles

This month, we considered the question of how we can use (and not use) patterns for heraldic titles across time and space. Under precedent created in January 2009, "we require that heraldic titles also provide documentation showing that they follow a pattern of heraldic titles in the language of the submission." This is intended to expand on that ruling to make it clear how it applies to documented patterns.

Heraldic titles began to be used in the early 14th century. Therefore titles cannot be created in languages that had fallen out of use by that time, such as Old English, Old Norse, Frankish, and the like. Their daughter languages, such as Middle English, Swedish, and French, were used to create titles and may be used in submissions.

Heraldic titles are clearly documented in English, Scots, French, Catalan, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Hungarian, and Polish (see Juliana de Luna, "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance," for more details). They are probably also found in other languages spoken within the wide area covered by those languages, including Danish, Occitan/Provencal, and various Italian languages. Interestingly, there seem to have been no heraldic titles as such in "native" Italian states, as opposed to those parts of northern and southern Italy dominated by French or Iberian overlords; however, these foreign-dominated states include a great part of modern Italy, and it seems likely that the titles in use within those regions were written in Italian as well as the language of the overlords. The use of heraldic titles elsewhere in Eastern Europe has not been demonstrated, but sources are relatively limited.

These domains all seem to have shared a set of models for heraldic titles, deriving them from placenames (found everywhere), the names of heraldic charges (sometimes with color modifiers, found everywhere that I found more than six titles), brief mottos or desirable traits (found everywhere I that I found more than six titles), and order names (found in England, France, and Iberia; a title derived from an order badge is found in Germany as well). These patterns can be justified for any language in which heraldic titles can be found.

Other patterns for heraldic titles, like the use of family names, seem to be limited to the Anglo-French region. Those patterns that are not broadly found across Europe must be justified as plausible for an individual language.

Heraldic titles were often recorded in Latin, as well as in the vernacular. As such, Latinized titles will be registered. However, they must follow a relevant pattern: for example, Latinized titles created from family names must be created from family names found in a region that used this pattern.

From Pelican: SCA Blazonry Terms in Order Names and Heraldic Titles

We were also asked to consider whether blazonry terms used in the SCA for period charges may be used to create order names and heraldic titles when the terms themselves cannot be dated to period. This is a problem, as we do not know the period terms for some period heraldic charges. As order names were often derived from badges, it seems unfair to say that a period charge for which we have no period name cannot form the basis of an order. Therefore, the standard names used within SCA blazon for charges used in period armory and for charges compatible with period practice (that is, those charges that are not considered a step from period practice) will be allowed in order names and heraldic titles. This does not extend to blazonry terms that were not used to create order names and heraldic titles (like lines of division). While we will allow the use of out of period standard Society blazonry terms for period charges in order names, this usage will carry a step from period practice.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (a series)

This month I'm continuing my discussion of the articles and books I most frequently use to document names from a given time and place. Having talked about Old and Middle English, we can move on to late period English.

Let me begin by saying that until relatively recently, we had fewer resources for 16th century England than for 14th century England, which is a strange state. But it's due to the biases of the published sources we use; they focus mainly on the earliest citations of a given name element (given name, surname, placename).

If you're using the print resources, Bardsley is more likely to have late period citations than Reaney and Wilson, and Mills Dictionary of London Place Names more than Ekwall or the other Mills. But the best resources for this period are not in print.

The best is our new resource: the search program for the IGI Parish Extracts, which I discussed in last month's cover letter.

However, there are several important articles online as well. For given names, I start with Julian Goodwyn's "English Names from Pre-1600 Brass Inscriptions" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/). It's a good source for surnames as well (most bynames by this time are inherited surnames, so that John Smith is probably not a smith and Alice Johnson's father may have been named Henry. There are a variety of articles that list a few thousand surnames from that time found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/eng1450to1600.shtml. There's not much to choose between them (unless you're looking for a particular place), so you can just start clicking or use a search engine to look at multiple of them at once. If you do that, don't forget that a bunch of them are not housed at http://www.s-gabriel.org/!

I also find myself using British History Online (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/Default.aspx), which includes a variety of sources about British history. Many preserve period spellings. You have to be careful, though, as some sources on this site modernize spellings; in general, you want to look at other names in the same source to make sure that elements aren't always found in the standard modern spelling.

West Kingdom acceptances

Cormac an Ciúin. Device. Per pale sable and argent all estencely counterchanged, a caltrap within a bordure per pale argent and sable.

[Matins note: The name was actually registered as Cormac Ciúin in April 2011.]

Please instruct the submitter to draw the sparks fewer and larger to aid in their identification. It is worth noting:

Estencelly would be distinct groups of three roundels, generally seen in a one-and-two arrangement, with more separation between the groups. [Alessandra Bella Fiorentina, Feb 2011, A-Æthelmearc]

The depiction here has the roundels in a two-and-one arrangement, but this is an acceptable variation of the standard estencely.

Helga skjaldmær. Device. Gyronny argent and gules, a horse's head couped sable within a bordure sable estencely argent.

Petronella Alexander. Name and device. Azure, a wine amphora and on a chief argent three bunches of grapes purpure, slipped and leaved vert.

Nice English name for anytime after 1200!

Originally blazoned as an amphora, the default amphora is flat-bottomed whereas this pointed-bottomed form is a wine amphora.

Sof'ia Stepanova doch'. Name change from Madeleine de La Champagne and device. Per saltire purpure and azure, a peacock in his pride within a bordure argent.

Nice 15th century Russian name!

Her previous name, Madeleine de La Champagne, is released.

Stephen Payton. Name.

Nice 16th century English name!

Úlfarr veiðimaðr Eysteinsson. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for "9th-11th century Norse." This name meets that request. The given name and patronym are both found in Iceland at that time (in the Landnámabók); the byname is only attested a little later in a saga, but it's similar to bynames used at that time.

Zaid al-Fallah al-Hajji. Name change from Merced Maggiesbane of Hove.

Submitted as Zaid al-Fallâh al-Hajji, we require that a submission use a single transliteration system. In this case, that means marking long vowels (or not) consistently. The byname al-Fallâh includes them, while al-Hajji (more properly al-Hajj{i-}) does not. Since the submitter indicated he'd prefer the spelling al-fallah, we have removed the long marking from that byname rather than adding it to the other, in order to register the name.

The byname al-Fallah means 'the farmer, the peasant.' It was in use as a word by at least the 15th century, and is plausible as a byname. The byname al-Hajji means 'one who has completed the pilgrimage to Mecca.' It can be found by the 13th century, though al-Hajj with the same meaning is found earlier. Examples of names with two descriptive bynames can be found in many period Arabic biographical dictionaries (that is, biographical dictionaries created by period writers); there are even examples with multiple locative bynames.

We note that the submitter prefers a version with no capitalization. While capitalization was not used in period Arabic, we require names to follow a standard system of capitalization in order to reduce confusion. He is encouraged to write it with appropriate capitalization for the context in which he is using the name.

The submitter's previous name, Merced Maggiesbane of Hove, is retained as an alternate name.

West Kingdom returns

None.

AUGUST 2011 LOAR

Cover letter

From Laurel: KWHSS

I know it is early still, but I wanted to give everyone a heads up on thinking about bidding for KWHSS 2013. We will be calling for bids in December, they will be due on March 31, 2011, and must be entered into OSCAR by the March 31, 2011 due date.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (a series)

This month, we're turning our attention to other languages and naming pools in the British Isles. In Scotland, there are a variety of languages spoken across time and space. For the later Middle Ages and Renaissance, the two major languages are Gaelic and Scots.

Scots is a close relative of English, spoken in Scotland. The first Scots texts appear in the mid-14th century. The lack of earlier vernacular writing means that the exact relationship between ancestral forms of English and 14th-century Scots is a little unclear. But some form of English or Scots was spoken throughout this period. Most names that are written in ways that look familiar, like William Abernethy or Duncan Makneill are Scots (as opposed to the Gaelic Donnchadh mac Néill). Of course, some of the names recorded in Scots are not the names of individuals who were Scots speakers; some were Gaelic speakers.

Names in Scots are generally even simpler than English names. We have no evidence that anyone had two given names in Scots, and second bynames are exceedingly rare as well. When a second bynames is added, it's usually a literal description, like of Glasgow or elder. There are also examples of Gaelic names written in Scots with two bynames (two generations of patronymic or a descriptive byname followed by a Mac name).

The main source for Scots names is a print book: George Black's Surnames of Scotland. Not surprisingly, many masculine given names are used to create surnames, so that men's given names are reasonably well indexed. Feminine given names are found in Talan Gwynek's "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/scottishfem.html), which indexes women's names from that book.

In addition, there are a group of articles that give lists of Scots names. The one I find myself using the most is Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue" ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/dost/). Other articles are found at the Academy of Saint Gabriel's section on Scottish names ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/scottish.shtml, the section "Scoto-Norman, Scots-Language, and Lowland Names" is what you want).

From Wreath: On Demons

A submission this month included a demon. We have only registered a demon nine times, most recently in July 2000. Further research has not shown any instances of a demon as a period heraldic charge. Depictions of demons in period medieval art vary wildly: generally shaggy, but occasionally more dragon-like, feet usually cloven but occasionally clawed like a dragon, sometimes with wings, sometimes without, sometimes with horns, sometimes without, sometimes with a very bestial face, sometimes with a more human face. Demons do not appear to have a standard depiction.

Barring evidence for the use of demons as a period charge, we will cease to register demons after the February 2012 Laurel meeting. This explicitly overturns the precedent set in September 1992: "The demon is a period heraldic charge, as found in the arms of the city of Brussels (Gules, the archangel Michael Or vanquishing a demon underfoot sable). [Asher Truefriend, Sep 1992, A-West]". It has since been determined that the arms of the city of Brussels are post-period.

This does not affect the registerability of demon heads, which have a far more standard depiction.

West Kingdom acceptances

Anna di Caterina Neri. Name and device. Per bend sinister azure and gules ermined, in canton an eagle Or.

This name does not presume a relationship with the registered Catalana di Neri. Catalana and Caterina are different enough to avoid such a claim. No evidence was found that Catalana and Caterina were used interchangeably (nor that one was used as a diminutive of the other). Names that were not used interchangeably must be compared on sound and appearance. The two elements are significantly different in sound and appearance (as -eri- and -ala- are significantly different).

Please advise the submitter to draw larger and fewer ermine spots.

Lucrezia Ana Callista Caracciola da Venezia. Device change. Sable, a winged gorgon's head cabossed and in chief an artist's brush fesswise argent.

Her previous device, Sable, a wolf sejant reguardant within a bordure rayonny argent, is retained as a badge.

Oliver de Montfort. Device. Argent, a three-headed dog sejant affronty sable and in chief an olive branch, stub to dexter, slipped and fructed proper.

Simon de Spaldyng. Reblazon of badge. Azure, a boar rampant argent maintaining and playing a two-droned bagpipe sable.

Blazoned in August 1979 as Azure, a boar rampant argent, orbed vert, playing a two-droned bagpipe sable, fimbriated argent, we are clarifying that the bagpipes are a maintained charge.

Staffan Arffuidsson. Badge. (Fieldless) In pall three seraphs conjoined at their upper wingtips Or.

West Kingdom returns

None.

In Service,
Owen ap Morgan
Matins Herald

SUBMISSONS – 22 October, XLVI (2011)

ITEMS SENT TO LAUREL

Albrecht von Kallenberg - Device resubmission to Laurel (Feb. 2003 Caid)

Or, three boars statant in annulo, a bordure engrailed sable.

While this was submitted as new, a check of the submitter's Laurel file showed the Feb. 2003 return of a previous device submitted through Caid (completely unrelated to this design.) Please note that the West does not put any time limits on resubmission, nor does it matter through which kingdom the returned item was processed.


Arganteilin filia Elffin - Device resubmission to kingdom (Sept. 2007) (see Returns for badge)
Or, a pomegranate gules, slipped and leaved proper, a chief embattled purpure.

This is a complete redesign from the original submission. While the chief should be taller and the embattlements deeper and more regular, we did not feel that the artwork was enough of a problem to justify a kingdom return.

Versus the device of Anastasia de Granada (12/71) Or, a quetzal proper perched on a pomegranate slipped and leaved gules, there is no problem unless the quetzal is small enough to be considered maintained and therefore insignificant for conflict purposes. In that case this submission would conflict with just one CD for adding the chief. The fact that the quetzal is blazoned first suggests this is not the case.


Doireann of Danegeld Tor - New name and device
Per fess rayonny vert and argent, two rams' heads fesswise respectant couped and a four-leaf clover counterchanged.

Submitted as Doireann of Dangeld Tor, the reference to the SCA branch name was clear enough that we felt justified in correcting it to the registered spelling. The submitter states a preference for the Gaelic language, but fortunately does not request authenticity for it; translating of Danegeld Tor into Gaelic would have been a challenge.

Doireann is a feminine Gaelic given name. It was documented by the submitter from the article "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents: Women's Names" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien) at http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Feminine.shtml. This article (no printout of which was submitted) actually gives Doireann only in the header as the Gaelic version of Dorren; the dated examples in the article are exclusively Anglicized spellings.

The name Doireann Dechti was registered in Oct. 2009 via An Tir; the LOI (at https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=629 ) states

As per Juliana de Luna, there are no clear post-1200 dates for <Doireann> in Gaelic, but it appears as a given name in Anglicized form in the Irish Fiants (the source for Woulfe); she believes this should justify it in Gaelic as well.

These citations are from the reign of Elizabeth I, so between 1558 and 1603. The source is The Irish Fiants of the Tudor Sovereigns 1521-1603, v. 4, by Éamonn de Búrca for Edmund Burke Publisher, Dublin, 1994.

Page Record ID Name

558 4022 (3238) Dorryn ny Byrne 558 4022 (3238) Dorryn oge ny Conchor 576 4117 (3535) Dorren ny Murchan

These support the idea that <Doireann> would have been in use in the sixteenth century.

of Danegeld Tor is an English locative byname formed on the SCA branch name Danegeld Tor, registered in Apr. 1994 via the West.

There was some concern expressed as to whether the arrangement of the heads was truly heraldic, but similar things have been registered before.


Helyas de Walincors - Device resubmission to Laurel (Oct. 2009)
Per pale sable and gules, a sword between two griffins combattant Or, a bordure ermine.


Katherine de Langelei - New name and device
Gules, a cross moline, a bordure engrailed Or.

Katherine is an English feminine given name. Reaney & Wilson (s.n. Curzon) attest a Katherine la Curzoun from 1316.

de Langelei is an English locative byname. Reaney & Wilson (s.n. Langley) attest a Simon de Longelay from 1297. Ekwall (s.n. Langley) attests Langelei from the Domesday Book, putting it within 300 years of the other dates cited in connection with this name submission.


Marie von Kallenberg - New name

Marie is a German feminine given name. The article Medieval German Given Names from Silesia by Talan Gwynek at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm attests a single instance of this spelling from 1346.

von Kallenberg is a German locative byname, registered to the submitter's legal stepfather Albrecht von Kallenberg in Jan. 2003 via Caid. A letter attesting the relationship was included. Support provided for Albrecht's byname included:

  1. Kallenberg(er) is a header spelling in Brechenmacher.
  2. Kallenberg is mentioned in Bahlow s.n. Kallenbach.
  3. Kallenberg is found in the 16th C Wappenrolle von Zurich at http://ladyivanor.knownworldweb.com/zroadt2v.htm (strip 2, #115) according to Clarion.
  4. Kallenberg is one of two castles pledged by Rudolf von Hohenberg to his daughter-in-law Ursula von Pfirt in 1334 according to Metron Ariston's citation of http://www.heritagequest.com/genealogy/europe/html/fridingen.html .

Neither of the first two contains any dated instance of the submitted spelling, and I am unable to access the web pages cited in the latter. At worst the byname is available via the grandfather clause.


Miyake Nobuhiro - New alternate name
Gryffen de Corwyn

Gryffen is an English masculine given name. The article "A List of 15th Century English Men's Names" by Arval Benicoeur (Josh Mittleman) and Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott) at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/agincourt/ cites two instances of this spelling. When the name Gryffen Bladesmyth was registered in Mar. 2008 (Lochac), Blue Anchor noted that

Arval's article says "...This particular list appears to be pretty good. It was scanned out of Sir Nicolas Nicholas Harris, History of the Battle of Agincourt and of the Expedition of Henry the Fifth into France in 1415 to which is added the Roll of the Men at Arms in the English Armory, 3rd edition (London: Johnston & co., 1833). I haven't tracked down a copy of that book in order to check the author's sources."

It turns out the book is on Google Books now! It's at http://books.google.com/books?id=HwyxXkYlh_EC. <Gryffen> appears within as both a given name (<Gryffen Fordet>, <Gryffen de Hesketh> and a byname (<Nicholas Gryffen>). I haven't yet read the foreword, where the author discusses his sources.

de Corwyn is intended as an English locative byname. The submitter's wife Sedania de Corwyn registered her name in Dec. 2009 (West); a letter attesting the relationship was included. The article "Concerning the Names Corwin, Korwyn and the Like" by Josh Mittleman at http://medievalscotland.org/problem/names/corwin.shtml states that

In Wales, there is a place called Corwen, an anglicized form of the Welsh name Corfaen [5]. It was recorded as Coruan in 13th century records [6]. This name derives in part from the Welsh word maen 'stone', and has no relation to any given name. The place name may have produced a surname; the surname Corwyn is recorded in the Isle of Mann in 1578 and is believed to derive from the Welsh place name [7]. However, since the bearer of the name originated in Cumberland, this example may simply be another spelling of the English occupational surname.

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[5] Melville Richards, Welsh Administrative and Territorial Units(Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1969).

[6] Keith Williams-Jones, The Merioneth Lay Subsidy Roll 1292-3 (Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1976).

[7] Kneen, J.J., Personal Names from the Isle of Man (Oxford University Press: London, 1937).

At worst, the byname is registerable via the grandfather clause.


Trava Zapadova - Name and device resubmission to kingdom (Sept. 2011)
Argent, an oak tree eradicated, in base a heart gules, a bordure sable.

Submitted as Trava Zapedova, we have changed the spelling of the patronymic to match a documented given name.

Trava is the [female] submitter's legal given name, as attested by copies of her driver's license and birth certificate. It is also cited in Wickenden as a masculine Russian given name, with a Demeshko Trava cited from c1495 and a patronymic form Saltyk Travin from 1469.

Zapadova is a Russian feminine patronymic byname formed from the given name Zapad. The latter is cited as a Russian masculine given name in Wickenden, with a patronymic form Senko Zapadnich cited from 1552.

Ordinarily, a documented masculine given name could not be used with a feminine patronymic. The submitter desires a female name, and does not permit the major change of a gender switch. Being uncertain whether the legal name allowance avoids this problem, we are passing this along for discussion and a Laurel ruling.

The device was redrawn at kingdom because the originals were printed too small.


ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK

Arganteilin filia Elffin - Badge resubmission to kingdom (Sept. 2007)

Or, a pomegranate fruit gules.

This conflicts with the protected non-SCA arms of Granada (12/94 Laurel) Argent, a pomegranate seeded gules, slipped and leaved vert (just one CD for changing the field), with the badge of Moraig Anne Drummond (10/07 Middle) Or, a pomegranate slipped and leaved gules, seeded Or, between flaunches sable (just one CD for removing the flaunches), and probably with the device of Anastasia de Granada (12/71) Or, a quetzal proper perched on a pomegranate slipped and leaved gules (at most one CD for removing the quetzal unless the quetzal is the sole primary and the pomegranate an insignificant maintained charge.) Slipping and leaving does not count toward difference. It does, however, contribute significantly to the identifiability of the charge. The submitter should be aware that the pomegranate fruit without the usual slipping and leaving might be mistaken for a roundel.


Gareth Hadley - New device
Quarterly azure and vert, a lion and a bordure argent.

Unfortunately, the submitter missed the window of opportunity. This conflicts with the badge of Duncan von Halstern (5/10 AEthelmearc) Per pale purpure and sable, a lion and a bordure argent, a registration too recent to have been in the Ordinary checked at the consultation table.


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