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The meeting was held on Sunday, 17 May 2009, at the home of Eilis in Berkeley, CA. The meeting started at 12:10 pm and ended at 15:01 pm. In attendance at this meeting were: Eilis O'Boirne, Vesper; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Moira O'Connor, Greencloak; Elysant atten Oke, Sable Swan; Muriel, Acting Sea Wolf; Vigdís vestfirzka, Compline; Owen ap Morgan, Latimer; Frederick of Holland, and Maxen Dawel ap Owen, Pursuivants; Walraven von Nijmegen; Na'arah bat Avraham, Banner; Jared of Castlewood, Pinnacle; two guests from Silver Desert, and Astrið of Swansvale, Matins.
COLLEGE OF HERALDS MEETINGS
The meeting schedule in 2009 is June 7 (in Silver Desert/Reno), August 23, September 20,
October 18, and November 15, January 10, 2010. There will be no meeting in July or December, 2009.
Meetings start at noon, unless otherwise announced.
Anyone who is bringing a walk-in submission should contact Matins in advance, no later than the Monday before the meeting. This is especially important if the submitter has previous submissions, since the files are stored in a remote location. If you are bringing the paperwork for a submission to a meeting, please plan to arrive by 11:00 am to allow the file to be set up. We are researching some of the name submissions beforehand through an email list, wknames@yahoogroups.com. This list is open by request to heralds in the West Kingdom who are interested in onomastic (name) research. To join the list, please subscribe at wknames-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
PERSONNEL -- POSITIONS AVAILABLE:
- Vesper Principal Herald would like to hear from people interested in the position.
- Latimer Herald is looking for trainees for book heraldry and consultation. Will train!
- Brachet is looking for trainees and assistants with internal commenting meetings.
- Banner is looking for trainees and an eventual successor.
- Sable Swan is looking for a deputy/successor.
REPORTS
Eilis, Vesper- Reported position changes. 1 person passed P.E. test -- Miach of the Shire.Moira, Green Cloak Herald- No report
Nara'ah, Banner- Still looking for deputy/successor. Training is happening. Beltane happened despite the rain. Working on ceremonies. Getting ready to reprint the ceremony books.
Wilhelm, Baldric- No report.
Owen, Latimer- No events for consultation since last meeting. Recruiting is improving.
Gwenhwyfaer, Brachet- mailing to Eilis.
Hirsch, Golem- No report.
Gillian, Seawolf- Ceremony books got wet and moldy, but Ghislaine fixed the leather binders and herald's tabards. Have new ceremonies that will be sent to Hirsch.
Elysant, Sable Swan - Cynagua Coronet next weekend. Looking for successor.
Isabel, Stellanordica- No report.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
From Matins Herald: Please note that the "line drawing" requirement for device submissions does NOT mean a b/w photocopy of the color form.For name submissions, we need two copies of all name forms and all documentation source printouts and/or photocopies. For device and badge submissions, we need four colored copies plus an uncolored line outline. Please use colored felt tip markers. Please do not use colored pencil, pastel colors, crayons, color printers or color copiers. The artist's signature is required, but the submitter's signature is not required. If you are using restricted or non-standard elements or any other supplemental matters, we need two copies of your supplemental paperwork.
Please make sure that all submitters print their e-mail addresses clearly. A single mistaken letter makes the e-mail address useless.
We will continue to hold voice heraldry training sessions at the beginning of events to encourage involvement at the event.
UPCOMING EVENTS
KWHSS 2009 will be held in The Barony of the Lonely Tower in the Kingdom of Calontir September 4-7, 2009.
This is Omaha, Nebraska.
November 14 (Heraldic Collegium).
GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS
SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS: Submission fees are $6 per name, $6 per device, $6 per badge - and a name and device registered at the same time will cost $10 instead of $12. There is no fee for resubmission of a returned item. Submissions require 2 copies of the name packet (form and documentation), 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the full size device form, and 3 colored copies and 1 line drawing of the badge form, as applicable. Required documentation includes printouts of any web pages cited -- including reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel -- as well as copies of the title page and cited pages from any books that are not standard heraldic references. The submission forms for the West Kingdom College are now available from Matins or the Kingdom consultation table or by following this link: http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Register.php#Forms. Completed forms should be sent to Matins Herald (c/o Sandstedt / PO Box 1346 / Sparks NV 89432-1346).
MAILING LIST: The West Kingdom College of Heralds has a mailing list for internal communication. Any herald is welcome to join by request. To join the list, please subscribe at wkheralds-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.
ELECTRONIC RESOURCES: Many interesting heraldic links can be found through the SCA Heraldry web page at http://www.sca.org/heraldry, including the Laurel home page, the on-line Armorial and Ordinary (with search capabilities) and The Academy of St. Gabriel (an onomastic and heraldic consultation service). The West Kingdom Heraldry site and the West Kingdom Awards List can be accessed through the West Kingdom site, http://www.westkingdom.org. Heraldic queries may also be addressed to Eilis and Vigdís at heralds@westkingdom.org -- answers may take a few days.
West Kingdom College of Heralds Minutes are published on the web. They may be read at or printed from the heralds' website at http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Minutes.php. There is a colored version and a printer-friendly black and white version available.
BRACHET MEETINGS
BRACHET MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. The meetings are held on the second and fourth
Mondays of each month at 7:00 pm at 4317 Alderwood Way, Sacramento, CA 95864. Call Gwenhwyfaer ferch Gwilym for more information,
(916) 323-4268 or email her,
.
EAST BAY COMMENTING MEETINGS
These meetings comment on heraldic submissions from other Kingdoms. Please consider attending -- you do not have
to be able to attend every week. They are a fast way to learn how the Rules of Submission work and how to research
armory. The Brachet meetings are in Berkeley on Wednesday nights. If you are interested, contact the Matins Herald,
Astrith of Swansvale (Gretchen Lebednik) at
or Eilis at 510-486-0633.
EXCERPTS FROM THE LOAR
The cover letters, acceptances and returns for the past can be found at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/. If you are interested in responding to some of the calls for commentary put out by the Laurel Queen of Arms, please be sure to visit the site.The March LoAR has not been posted yet.
In Service,
Astrith of Swansvale
Matins Herald
SUBMISSONS -- 17 May, XLIV (2009)
ITEMS SENT TO LAURELDonald MacMillan - New Name, New Device
Donald: based on Withycombe, p. 86, under header Donald. Donaldus Sturmyn (1346).Sable, a chevron and in base a vair bell argent.
Black has a [Donald Ka] dated 1399 (s.n. Kay, p.387).
Fiametta Margherita del Sanguigno - New Name, New Device (both resubmissions to Kingdom)
Per chevron gules and Or, two gouttes and a foxglove, slipped and leaved, counter-changed.
Fiametta: "Italian Renaissance Women's Names [http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html]
Margharita: "Italian Renaissance Women's Names [http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html]
del Sanguigno: Derived from <Sanguigni> in the list of family names in the Online Tratte of Office Holders, 1282-1532 [http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte] First choice "del Sanguigno", Second choice "Sanguentini". Although this variarion of Sanguigni isn't listed in the Tratte, the discussion in the second paragraph gives an example of a surname <Capponi> which was also sometimes rendered <Del Cappone>. The Tratte lists a single instance of <Sanguigno> in its list of first names.
There are examples in the Catasto of names that are used with both an <-i> and an <-o> ending, including
<Bonaiuti>/<Bonaiuto>, <Manni>/<Manno>, <Mattei>/<Matteo>.
Fiametta Margharita del Sanguigno - New Badge
(Fieldless) A spoon argent , environed of a snake palewise Or.
Godric of Castlemont - New Name, New Device
Godric: St Gabriel Report 072. Withycombe. Common in England prior to Norman Conquest. Died out in 13th and 14th centuries.Gules, upon a plate, an orle of pellets, a bordure argent, pellety.
Because that is an older report, we are supplying additional documentation.
Withycombe (s.n. Godric) cites <Godric(us)> from the Domesday Book.Reaney & Wilson (s.n. Goodrich) cite <Godric> from the Domesay Book and <Ralph Godric'> from 1199.
Castlemont: St Gabriel Report 072. Typical Norman place-name. "Castle" and "mont" were introduced into the English language by the Normans. Castlemont plausible English place-name after Norman Conquest. "de" instead of "of" most likely for this period, but some examples of "of" have been found. "Godric of Castlemont plausible for 1100-1350 C.E. in England.
For <Castle->, Ekwall cites <Castelforde> (1155-8, s.n. Castleford), <Castelrig> (1256, s.n. Castlerigg), and <Castelton> (1246 & 1577, s.n. Castleton), showing the element used in combinations. Reaney & Wilson also cite a <Thomas Castleford> (1375, s.n. Castleford), showing that the modern spelling entered into such combinations in period. The OED states that <castle> entered English twice, first from Latin <castellum> 'village' or <castrum> 'camp', and then again from French in the sense of a fortified building. In the latter sense the plural spelling <castles> cited from 1154.
For <-mont>, Ekwall cites <Bealmont> (1175-80, s.n. Beaumont), <Egremont> (c1125, s.n. Egremont), and <Rugeomont> (1260, s.n. Ridgmont). In each of these the first element derives from French.
It seems within the realm of possibility that <Castlemont> could have been used as an English placename as early as the 1100s.
As for the <of>, Reaney & Wilson cite <Adam of Roston> (1240, s.n. Roston), so it's at least possible although <de>
is far more typical for the period when both <Godric> and <Castlemont> might have co-existed.
Katherine d'Aquitaine - New Name & New Device
While the submitter has marked the form as a resubmission, the previous submission was in the Midrealm and she had never heard anything about the outcome. Lacking evidence that it was submitted to Laurel, we are presenting it as a new submission.Per pale gules and sable, a griffin segreant contourny and a bordure rayonny Or.
Katherine: 5 instances in French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438, by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, at: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html.
d'Aquitaine: Use of <d'> in several instances in Names from a 1587 Tax Roll from Provins, by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, at: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/provins1587.html. <Claude d'Arcis>, <Loys d'Arcis>, <Phelippes d'Ambly>, etc.
Aquitaine: the name of an ancient province in France (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911). Originally <Aquitania>, about the time of Julius Caesar, it was in the form <Aquitaine> by the time the area was made a new duchy somewhat earlier than 845 C.E.
Owen ap Morgan - New Badge
(Fieldless) An estoile vert.
Owen Flechyr - New Name & New Device
Owen: Withycombe (3rd ed), p. 237Per pale gules and sable, a stag counter-salient between in annulo six mullets of six points
Flechyr: Black (1st ed), p. 268
Owen: Withycombe (3rd ed), p. 237 (s.n. Owen) cites <Owen> from 1200, 1273, and 1492.
Flechyr: Black (1st ed), p. 268. (s.n. Fletcher) cites <John Flechyr> from 1338. Black further notes that the name derives from
Old French via English barons, lending further support to its combination with a given name cited from English.
West, Kingdom of - New Badge
This is a badge for the West Kingdom Royal Guild of Fence. Therefore, we have kept the use of "rapier" rather than "sword".(Fieldless) An open book Or surmounted by a rapier vert.
References Black, George F. The surnames of Scotland.
Ekwall, Eilert. The concise Oxford dictionary of English place-names.
Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911. Aquitaine.
Dradke, J. L. (Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale). 1995-2009. Italian Renaissance Women's Names [http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html].
Herlihy, David, Christiane Klapisch-Zuber, R. Burr Litchfield and Anthony Molho , eds. 2002. Florentine Renaissance Resources, Online Catasto of 1427. Machine readable data file based on D. Herlihy and C. Klapisch-Zuber, Census and Property Survey of Florentine Domains in the Province of Tuscany, 1427-1480.]. (Florentine Renaissance Resources/STG: Brown University, Providence, R. I., 2002.) [http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/]
Herlihy, David , R. Burr Litchfield, Anthony Molho, and Roberto Barducci, eds. Florentine Renaissance Resources, Online Tratte of Office Holders, 1282-1532. Machine readable data file. (Florentine Renaissance Resources/STG: Brown University, Providence, R. I., 2002.) [http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/main.html]
Reaney, P.H. and R. M. Wilson. A dictionary of English surnames.
Uckelman (Friedemann), S. L. (Aryanhwy merch Catmael) 2002. Names from a 1587 Tax Roll from Provins [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html].
Uckelman, S. L. (Aryanhwy merch Catmael) 2002-2003, 2005-2006, 2008. French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438 [http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html].
Withycombe, E.G. Oxford dictionary of English Christian names.
ITEMS RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK
Cera bec-Fáel inigena Corbbi --New Name and New Device
Azure estoily, a wolf's head erased bend-sinister-wise argent.The submitted form of name is not documentable, so the device cannot be registered even if it were without problems.
The stars should not be overlapped. The head does not need to be tilted. It is not quite bendwise sinister -- sort of in-between. Upright and bendwise.
Lillia of Sheep Rock --New Name and New Device
Argent, on a lozenge quarterly azure and vert, a rose argent.Returned for administrative reasons, due to differences in the name on the forms.
Sable Stump Pursuivant - New Name [Resub at Kingdom]
Heraldic tinctures cannot be used in titles. Also, there are discrepancies on the name forms